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BIG Plot hole?

posted 17 years ago by lukanovich84
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How is the scene possible when Cisco claims the guy was still alive. Wasn't that floor exploded before Melvin's friends came in?

Thanks!

[–] blaze_2872 17 years ago

Yeah....Cisco was lying. He said that the guy was still alive and that he was the one that capped him. Then the scene right after where Cisco shoots the already dead guy shows what really happened, thus proving that Cisco was lying..

Not sure if that made sense.

[–] oopendorf 17 years ago

"scene right after where Cisco shoots the already dead guy shows what really happened"

Nope. No sense at all. That's exactly the scene the OP was talking about. You didn't answer the question one bit. The scene with Lou shooting the already dead guy couldn't have happened. Mark was right next to the body the whole time until he dropped the explosives and jumped out the window. Lou couldn't have ever seen or been around the guy when he was dead.

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[–] chriswalken 17 years ago

I don't see a plot hole.

The mark was killed at the elevator, not in the room that was blown up. Then, Melvin spent a lot of time fighting bad dudes which would give Cisco time to fake-kill the mark.

Of course, I am going from memory and it's been a while.

[–] bon86 17 years ago

it's not a plot hole. Cisco was lying.

[–] SoloSymphony 16 years ago

What are you guys blabbering on about, the mark was shot in the elevator, then Melvin went off shooting and being shot at by bad guys ... THEN Cisco came to the elevator, with the dead mark on the ground, made his line about "... yup, not dead." and blam-blam-blam ... Melvin dropped the explosive in a hallway on a completely other floor, or at least around a few hallways ... far away from the elevators.
Cisco at the elevators was NOT a flashback of his lie ... it DID happen, the only lie was that the mark was alive at his arrival; the mark, of course was in fact indeed dead by the hands of Melvin.
It's really not that complicated, watch the scene again peeps! :P

[–] the_necessary 17 years ago

That scene DID NOT happen... It was merely a "flashback" of his lie.

[–] BalanceOfPower 16 years ago

True, it was a "flaskback" to Cisco's lie, but for me, the disbelief comes from Melvin not calling him on it. Yes Melvin is introverted and nonconfrontational, but the way the subsequent scene is written, it's almost like he forgot he blew up the floor at all. The logical outcome would have been for Melvin to simply say "But I blew up the floor" and Cisco's lie would have been revealed.

And yes folks, judging by the power of the explosive used (blown out windows and such), and considering the target was just down the hall from where he leaps out the window, the explosive would have decimated a large section of that floor.

However I think for the sake of pacing, this scene was streamlined and the filmmakers had Melvin "forget" as it were.

[–] twigs70 16 years ago

Melvin not calling him on the lie was so that they could establish that he was more interested in people liking him. A character flaw that he admits to having several times.

[–] sirius_cobra 16 years ago

Actually, in the flashback, the mark is obviously already dead, thus it shows what really happened while we hear Cisco's lying mouth running on its railroad.

[–] Pserious 15 years ago

In the locker room scene right after you can tell that it was a lie by the tone of ciscos voice. plus he only said it to get the bonus money. So this could be a scam that he, Vince and maybe even Crunch use on melvin to get the bonus. They probably all trade turns as to who gets the bonus money and back each other up on the lie while letting Melvin do all the work. And the fact that he is a nice guy it seems like they can get away with it every time.

[–] GrimmShadows 12 years ago

I agree with Pserious you can see in an earlier scene them just standing around drinking coffee and just shooting there guns claiming they're backing him up while Mel's doing all the work.

[–] Littlebitsofgaming 11 years ago

Actually, in the flashback, the mark is obviously already dead, thus it shows what really happened

The reason the mark was dead in the flashback is cos if he was alive, then it would not have been a "lie".
The mark is only dead to show to us the viewer that are seeing the flashback that yes Cisco was lying.

In the "reality" of the film, why would Cisco's lie include the fact the mark was already dead?
The scene (in the "reality" of the film) probably never did happen at all. Why would Cisco waste time putting bullets into a dead body?

Again the flashback is for us the viewer to tell that Cisco is lying...not to show what really happened.

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[–] spookyrat1 11 years ago

Again the flashback is for us the viewer to tell that Cisco is lying...not to show what really happened.

Agreed!

Seriously in a movie such as this, how can any one complain about plot holes?