"What you quote from me is no 'false reasoning', but just stating facts."
That's the problem here: you are simply listing 'facts' as if their interpretation is self-evident, neutral, or obvious, completely ignoring your bias, your naïve misinterpretation of those banal, obvious facts. You imagine you can perceive the 'facts' without having to perceive them? Without any thoughts? Without having to be mediated by concepts, ideas, notions, fantasies, without ideology?
"Soldiers ARE trained to follow orders, regardless of their feelings."
This, once again, is utterly appalling, a collapse of basic understanding. You are claiming that 'soldiers' are deranged zombies blindly 'following orders'? That they aren't even human? You are omitting to include the fantasies those soldiers construct for colluding in 'blindly following orders'.
It has nothing to do with 'feelings', but with basic reason, rationality, and Ethics. If you fail to see, comprehend this, you're already lost.
"Regardless of your sentiments or mine. How many military men do you really know? I've known a lot, just human beings like everyone else. How many policemen do you personally know?"
Now it's you retreating into sentimentality. "He's just a human being, leave him alone to get on with the job!" Such insular folk psychologizing is precisely what people invoke to legitimize all manner of obscenities, to justify doing anything, no matter how horrific.
I'm not interested in hearing their 'personal stories', in the fantasies, the lies, they construct to conceal, cover over, or justify their psychopathic behaviours. Would you take this approach to, say, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Pol Pot, and countless other paranoid psychos? That they were 'just human beings like everyone else' whose 'personal stories' we just haven't listened to, that if only we sat down and listened to their personal views and stories, we'd be more appreciative of them and their positions and behaviours, more 'understanding' of them, see things their way and fully support them!!!???
This is the pathetic flaw in your reasoning, a total collapse of all critical faculties.
"And the STRANGELOVE bombers went on in spite of their doubts."
Yes, they COLLUDED in the conspiracy to destroy the Soviet Union using nuclear weapons, colluded in committing genocide, committing pure evil. "But they're just human! Leave them alone! Let them get on with it!"
You do realize how utterly horrendous your appeal to humanist mysticism actually is here? Invoking an egomaniacal fantasy of the "human" to justify mass extermination, psychotic derangement.
"You unjustly read any condoning on my part in my argument."
You ARE condoning it, justifying it (while pretending not to be, deluding yourself), and that, again, is exactly how conspiracies work: passively colluding in them, defending them, while fantasizing not being a part of them or even being opposed to them or denying that they even exist. Denying it even as they do it. Blinding themselves to what they are doing as they do it, having their 'eyes wide shut' ... Knowing but not believing, freely and knowingly endorsed by the subjects themselves while turning a blind eye, turning the other cheek, disavowing the knowledge and acting as if they don't know. Here, the conspiracy is full open, that is, there is no imagined 'hidden, secret agency', a Them behind the scenes pulling all the strings, manipulating, deceiving, orchestrating and choreographing the charade, the simulation. Everyone knows while deceiving themselves that they don't know. Nobody is fooled while everyone is fooling, not being fooled while fooling.
"I was saying that they were not mad like Ripper was (well, Slim Pickens maybe a little) and that you were wrong in thinking so."
Doesn't that make it even WORSE!? Doing insane things - committing genocide - while maintaining a grotesquely false semblance of sanity and 'dignity' (this is exactly what the Nazis did eg by day exterminating people in a death camp, then coming home in the evening for dinner with the wife and kids and sitting down to listen to a Beethoven Sonata. "See look! Not only am I just human, but I'm cultured too!!).
As for the 'lone madman' (Ripper) fiction: this is simple deflection, a scapegoating, an instance of the Bad Apple fallacy. That the barrel of apples is sound but just has a few bad ones; get rid of the rotten apple or apples and everything is then cleansed, restored, normal service is resumed, peace and harmony descends on the world once again. Except that the apples will continue getting rotten, continue becoming corrupted, because the cause of the rottenness is not simply the apples, but the barrel itself, the barrel itself is rotten, is inherently corrupt, the whole framework, the system itself.
"Which makes them not right, but only human."
Calling something "human", for you, places it beyond all accountability, beyond all question ... and into the realm of irrational superstition and hubristic egomania. All of Kubrick's films dismantle such unhinged fantasies.
"I was stating why your reasonings were false."
No you weren't, and no you are not. You are making knee-jerk, thoughtless dismissals of my earlier pointing out that your reasoning is deeply flawed and false.
"Reality is regardless of what you and I think about it."
So you can know all about 'reality' without ever having to think about it or know about it? You have immediate, direct, magical access to all reality and know all about it? Without having to know or think about it? This is Ultra-empiricism turned into a dogmatic philosophy. And unknowingly supported by obscurantist, theological-superstitious fantasies about the mystical 'human' ...
Don't you think that is a bit naïve? Worse, that it verges towards a subject with an egocentric God complex, someone who presupposes that they already know everything about everything, are omniscient such that they don't ever have to even think about or perceive anything, but know all about 'reality' already? Someone residing in an infantile, solipsistic fantasy world, mistaking it for all reality?
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