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Readers of the Book, what did you think?


I was wondering about the book. I have never read it, but read about the details of it on Wikipedia. For those of you who have read it, are you upset that they did not include any flashbacks of Dr. Larch? How he came to be a doctor and head of the orphanage?

And how do you feel about the significant amount of time that Homer spends in the book on the farm as opposed to just a couple of years in the movie, and then the kid that Candy and Homer have, and the lies and secrets, etc? I understand why they took it out, I mean, that would make the movie so much more complicated, and would probably make it a 5 hour miniseries instead of a 2 hour movie. But I'm curious what readers of the book think.

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It's too bad so much had to be taken out, but to become a film sacrifices need to be made. I think the film does fine without Dr Larch's detailed history; had they included it, the film would have drawn out too long. And for those who've read the book, you're pretty much going into the movie with the knowledge of how Dr Larch came to be; you don't necessarily need to see the flashbacks physically on the screen when you can remember reading about them. The complicated "lies and secrets" in the book are perfect for the medium, but the faster pace of the film suits film. It's too bad they had to leave a key character out as well, but her interwoven story would not have enough time to be successfully resolved on screen - there'd be too many things going on at once. I also don't think the material they left out is worth a five hour miniseries, it'd be hard to justify. It would've been nice to be able to keep those sides of the story, but I'm a realist, so given the restrictions of the running time of films, I think this adaptation turned out great :)

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I think that the book was wonderfully written however, I was quite pleased with the film adaptation...I was surprised how similar things were between the two and yet the film left out a major MAJOR plot line but it didn't fit well with the director's version and therefore can be forgiven. Dr. Larch's character in the book also didn't have a sweet a demeanor, eh perhaps that not the word, I don't know but the way his character is portrayed in the book vs. film to me was quite different. I think that if the movie went into as much detail and as long a period of time for Homer Wells it may not have been so well done, the film takes a fast pace snippet of Homer's life and the book goes over the course of many many years of Homer's life in the apple orchards. In addition, the book looks into more of the orphan's life in particular a love thing between Homer and Melanie another orphan that the film fails to portray but may have hinted at a bit with Mary Agnes and Homer, though she is also in the book she plays less of a role than Melanie does in the book. Overall, both book and film to me though quite different in many senses were both excellent!!

You are my work of art, Homer. Everything else has been just a job.

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As it started, I felt the film's opening moments seemed to be a checklist of the basic events of the novel's first 150 pages in the space of an opening credit montage. At first, I judged this to be a slight to the opening of the book. Yet, as the film rolled on, I found it to be just as moving as the book. It retains the book's delicate sense of character, even if it sacrifices the richness and epic quality that runs through so many of Irving's novel. I was sad to see Melony go, along with Dr. Larch's early days (but how on earth would you handle those on screen?). But' the performances and writing are so strong and moving, and the themes are developed with such clarity (but never simplicity) that I found myself embracing the film almost as much as I embraced the novel.
I would say that the book is a must-read, for its unique style and absolutely wonderful characters (as soon as I stopped reading, I felt the urge to start over anew). My relationship to the film is completely colored by my love of the book.

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I stopped reading the replies about half way through the second post. I have decided to read the book. This thread explains a lot about why the title is The Cider House Rules. I always thought I missed something significant about the movie that made the time at the cider house important enough to name the movie after. Thanks for the thread. Can't wait to get the book now.

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The movie is good. I LOVED the book!! Knowing that Irving got to adapt his own novel makes me feel a little better about the movie.

As I remember the novel (it's been ten years since I read it), roughly the first 1/3 or maybe 1/2 focuses on Dr. Larch and then the rest of the story becomes about Homer and eventually how Homer comes home to the orphanage.

The first part of the book, about Dr. Larch's life was very important as it really explained, through a series of events, how Dr. Larch became the man and the doctor he was. I loved the Dr. Larch character in the novel and for a long time I put off seeing the film since I wasn't sure about Michael Caine trying to portray Dr. Larch. I thought that the section on Dr. Larch was almost like a separate novel. In the comments at the end, Irving mentioned that much of the basis for Dr. Larch was one of Irving's own relatives whom had experienced some of these same things as described in the book. In the book Dr. Larch does not have perhaps as much personality as Michael Caine's portrayal but clearly, he is a saintly figure. In the book, Dr. Larch reads to the boys, says good night to them in that very sweet and bitterly ironic salutation and when he does eventually die, he is eulogized as having practically been a saint.

What was not explained at all in the film but which was described in excellent detail in the book was that this particular orphanage was way up in the Maine woods, in a lumbering area. Most, or many, of the women who came to the orphanage, either for an abortion or to deliver, were prostitutes impregnated by loggers working the woods. The children were children of some pretty rough people whom had no capacity for taking care of these children. The children of the orphanage were about as discarded, unwanted and of little worth as could be, which makes Homer's ultimate success even more of an accomplishment.

I worked with a man whom was the product of just such a place, his mother had been a prostitute working the lumber camps up in the Maine woods and he'd spent time in an orphanage. He was, ironically, a comedian, and like a lot of comics I've know, he carried a lot of sadness around in him.

The children of the orphanage are all brought much more to life in the book than in the movie. The poor, sweet tragic character of Fuzzy was so much more in the book. Fuzzy dies under different circumstances in the book. The issues of the children wanting very much to be adopted and trying to make themselves more attractive to prospective adoptive parents was much better explained in the book.

Sadly, the character of Melony was not included and, as mentioned by another commenter in this thread, she was more or less (I'd say much less) represented by the Mary Agnes character, without any of the significant effect she had upon the story line in the novel.

I'm not such a big fan of Charlize Theron. For my money, she is not a very skilled actor and I did not care for her portrayal of Candy in the movie. All of the business in the Cider House I thought lived up to the novel and was probably the ultimate heated focus of the story. Wally's story is all told in much greater detail in the book.

I liked the film. I have to say that the film is a long way from the book. The book was outstanding in my own opinion and if you like the film at all I would say that you will LOVE the book. The book has everything that's in the film, only better, expanded, plus a lot of other wonderful stuff left out of the film. The film is more or less true to the novel, there were not too many Hollywood touches thrown in to tamper with the story.

After seeing the movie, I am now motivated to read the novel again.

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Well it's my favorite novel of all time, so I guess I could be someone who judges the adaptation very harshly.

However, this is a very well made movie, it feels like a classic film from the 40's and is a very Hollywood type film, I appreciate the acting, photography and charm.

Irving adapted his own novel and I think that's how this film works as it's own story away from the original material, Irving knows the story better than anyone so he knows could be cut.

If you included everything from the novel, this would be a very dark, strange period film that would run 3 hours long and feature a pretty long subplot, it would also be very epic.

So it's understandable why they had to cut so much out, I'm not really sure if Irving Novels transfer to film that well, because his style is so strange and unique, that it really works on the written page.

I do think the world according to Garp is the best Irving film ever made, it really got a lot right and it captured the spirit of his voice.However, this is probably the best made Irvin film, it's a damn beautiful movie with fantastic direction and memorable performance.

It's a masterpiece of a novel and a great film.




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It's a long time since I read the book, but where I believe the film succeeds where a lot of adaptions fail is that the feel of the film and book are the same. I guess this is to be expected when you have an author adapt his own work.

It was a shame that Melony is missing but I understand why, if you cut her out just a little she would be unsatisfying, leave her in and she could easily dominate the film. I think they made the correct decision.

I am less upset about the absence of Angel. I don't think that subplot would have worked in the film and could have made both Homer and Candy seem uncaring. The one part that ties those both together which is missed is where Melony "calls out Homer" by saying she thought he would amount to more than passing his child off as a cripple's kid (i forget the exact wording). It's Melony who provides a important prick to Homer's conscience, this is covered by Rose Rose in the film with the line "i know when someone is in trouble, and you is".

I think this is a much better film that Garp and also a better adaption, Garp seems incredibly difficult and convulated to explain (like a lot of Irving's work) in 90 or 120 minutes and whilst a good job was done with garp I have no wish to see it again. TCHR is something I can happily watch once every couple of years.

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