2010 must be the year of ripping off Satoshi Kon
First Inception and Paprika and now Black Swan and PB.
shareAronofsky bought the rights to Perfect Blue, so it's not ripping off.
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Inception was pitched by Nolan before Paprika even came out.
sharePaprika the novel predates Nolan's pitch.
shareThen, both Satoshi Kon and Nolan ripped off the author of the book who probably got the idea from someone else.I hate people who say artist X ripped off artist Y, every artist is inspired by others. Just as long as the artist adds to or evolves the core idea, there's really nothing wrong with it. Anyone that even thought Inception was a rip off of Paprika is an idiot because the movies are very different. Just because one movie has a dream machine, no other movie can? We would have very few movies then; only 1 robot movie could exist, only 1 buddy-cop movie, only 1 alien movie, etc. How stupid would that be?
shareCinema is a long story of inspiration .
It is a good thing that Kon Satoshi inspires other people . Hence the spremacy of Japanese anime .
It is no use of repeating the same idea over and over and over again on many threads . I wrote on Kon's main board that we get all your idea , but we can disagree from it .
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I loved Black Swan, so I watched Perfect Blue because I heard it was very similar. And while they pretty much have the same themes, they're otherwise very different movies. Perfect Blue is more story-focused, while Black Swan focuses entirely on the main character and her emotional trouble. And Black Swan has a style completely of its own.
Influenced by Perfect Blue? Likely, but I wouldn't call it a rip-off at all.
I'd say they were influenced and homaged those Kon films, but not 'rip-off'. No stealing here - if anything, this should lead to an influx of a new audience for the late director's films.
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AHAHAHAHA!!! I keep thinking that! And isn't it a fine coincidence that both movies that bear so many similarities to his work are fantastic movies? Honestly, I just hope the popularity of Inception and Black Swan give people who've seen and loved these movies exposure to Satoshi Kon's work. I was a bit disappointed there wasn't a tiny dedication to Satoshi Kon in the ending credits of Black Swan. Aronofsky bought the rights; the movie could have had a small moment in the credits to honor a genius who died early this fall. :(
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For f u c ks sake. This is ridiculous. Just because the two movies are similar does not mean one is a rip-off of the other. And that whole going-back-and-forth thing going on a few posts back, that's bulls h i t, and I think the poster who ended that put it quite aptly, all art is influenced and inspired by something, and to say that one thing is derivative of something else is having to acknowledge that all things derive from each other.
Wow.
At the core of this thread, there lies unnecessary and uncalled for cynicism. Clearly, the OP just wanted to rile people up and bad-mouth two very brilliant films and their respective directors, just to make a case that has no rational basis except for the similarity in the four films' themes. Sure, PB is similar to Black Swan, but then so is Polanski' Repulsion, and Opening Night, and any other film about someone having a mental breakdown. As for Paprika and Inception, sure, Paprika was published as a novel far before 2001, when Nolan for submitted a script for his film, but to date I don't believe the Paprika novel has ever been translated to English, and I'm positive Nolan doesn't understand Japanese. To be blunt, the poster that kept arguing about that was just trying to prove the other poster wrong, for the sake of proving them wrong. Childish.
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"the Paprika novel has been translated for a long time now, many years even."
Oh really? That's funny because doing a quick search on amazon brings nothing but the Japanese edition, and this article from Twichfilm proves you wrong:
http://twitchfilm.com/news/2009/02/paprika-novel-gets-an-english-translation-this-april.php
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Wow really? I'm an ignorant douche? You're the one trying to prove everyone wrong here with really obscure "facts".
Since you're opinion is based so much on assumption, and assuming Nolan has read the Paprika novel, let me say: I'm assuming that sure, anything can be translated as a PDF, whatever, but who's going to know about it? Other than people who are in the related scene or know about something so specific. Sure, we can assume Nolan has known about it, or has read, but does that mean he has? NO. I personally don't think he's read it; he's seen the movie, but that was released years after Nolan was already working on the Inception script.
and by the way, I am getting educated, but not from you. There's no need to be such a dick, this is an internet forum.
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Okay first, back the eff off of me. Stop attacking me as a person and start attacking my argument; you're gaining absolutely nothing by insulting my intelligence, or better yet your perception of it.
I never said "studio translated novels are the only way a foreign piece of literature could ever be read by those of the English language." Don't put words in my mouth. I said that while novels can be translated as PDFs, they're not usually consumed by a wide audience. Which I still stand by. Look at manga and the whole online scantlation scene that is present- anyone can translate someone and post it, and of course anyone can look at it, but it's not like all of modern society pays attention to it. I'm just trying to point out that the Paprika novel (and the movie as well) are foreign, and that puts them into a whole different category, a different scene, and a different audience. Considering the film is in the genre of anime, obviously it would attract an audience interested in anime, and not the general public. I feel like these two entities are way too specific, perhaps even underground.
Now Day_In_Day_Out, based on your posting history on here, it seems like most of what you watch and talk about is anime. I can't say I know that is all you watch, but as an anime fan you should understand better than those who aren't that it's a type of art that is majorly marginalized, I'd even venture to say ignored by a lot of the general public. I like anime, and I get that even in 2011 it's still kind of a special interest thing.
Sigh. To answer back at that first insult, there is something obscure about PDF files, whether you want to believe it or not. And I never said "it's an unrealistic thought" for Nolan to have "molded" his script around that of Paprika's, but honestly. I've seen both films, and they are indeed very different. While there are similar concepts and visuals going on, the stories are far from being the same. I don't see how you can insult me, or prove me wrong on that one.
And sure, it's just my opinion, but I happen to like Inception quite a lot. I think it's entertaining and complex. I actually think it's better than Paprika. :/
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I'll ignore most of that post, just like you ignored the simple request I had at the start of my last one, which was to calm the eff down and stop insulting me.
I should've known from the start that by posting on these boards, especially an anime board, I'd run into a troll like you. I myself would never wish on anyone that their mother drowned them in a tub of acid, and the totally nonchalant way you wrote it in is disgusting. You're a sad human being, and it just irritates me so that simple discussion boards like these, that are intended for positive conversation and thinking, are populated by the worst kind of filth. You have absolutely no moral fiber.
...I have a life, I have things to do, places to go, people to see. I shouldn't be wasting my time talking to trolls who just won't respect others and their opinions. On an unrelated note, i think your band kinda sucks. I'm sure that won't phase you, but I'm being mature and walking away from this. At least I had the courtesy of being respectful towards you.
"as for the mythical assumption that Nolan had been writing his script "for years", who's to say he didn't refine it around the mold of Paprika beginning in 2006? 'Cause you know, that's clearly such an unrealistic thought."
That's 6 years into it. While it's not unrealistic it is farfetched.
Also Christina Aguilera must be ripping off Britney Spears. Every rock band must be ripping off The Beatles. & IMDB must be ripping off the movie theater lobby where you discuss the movie you just saw.
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cowboype: "Then, both Satoshi Kon and Nolan ripped off the author of the book who probably got the idea from someone else."
Actually, Kon got the authorization to adapt the Paprika novel. Ironically, though, they announced an attempted remake of Paprika right before Inception was released, which sounds a bit like a case of certain people trying to cover their asses.
artemis: "Sure, PB is similar to Black Swan, but then so is Polanski' Repulsion, and Opening Night, and any other film about someone having a mental breakdown."
And at least Darren acknowledged Polanski. Still waiting for Kon, though.
"he's seen the movie, but that was released years after Nolan was already working on the Inception script."
His work on Inception predates the Paprika film, and even he admitted that he didn't have the script the way he wanted until last year.
"Considering the film is in the genre of anime, obviously it would attract an audience interested in anime, and not the general public."
Except Paprika had its own MySpace page, and a tagline which said, "This is Your Brain on Anime." Plus, it's Kon's highest grossing film in the U.S.
jeraldo: " That's 6 years into it. While it's not unrealistic it is farfetched."
Well he was already willing to spend at least ten years on it, so...
"Also Christina Aguilera must be ripping off Britney Spears."
Actually, Britney ripped off Janet Jackson and Debbi Gibson. Plus, Baby One More Time ripped off The Twisted Sister video "I Wanna Rock".
"Every rock band must be ripping off The Beatles."
Well, they did in the 60s. Not to mention these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw-delgGVmw
Ok, fine. Nolan said in person @ the Memento Q+A that he hadn't seen Paprika, and I believed him. I'm done. Now I can focus on Darren. :)
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