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I'm amazed at all of the anti-Rubin Carter sentiments on these boards

posted 13 years ago by IceboxMovies
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It just goes to show: some people will do anything to uncover a supposed conspiracy. I think it's laughable that people still devote their lives to finding some way to pin a guilty charge on Rubin Carter after all these years.

So what if Carter has no relationship with his family? So what if he had a messed-up past? So what? How does that make him a murderer? What so many of you have failed to come up with is pretty damned important: MOTIVE. What motive would a famous heavyweight boxer have for going into a bar and killing a bunch of random people for no apparent reason? That's ridiclous.

Yes, this movie fictionalizes a lot of things. So does every movie based on true events: At least this movie gets three things right: a) Carter was sent to prison on an unjust conviction, b) Lesra helped him get out, and c) Carter is still working today to help innocent people get out of jail. That's all I need. That's all Norman Jewison needed to make a great movie.

And for all of you still whining about this case, please: GET A LIFE. The killers are never going to be caught. Those people are dead and their families have likely gotten over it by now. This case is as old as the Zodiac case and yet it feels as old as Jack the Ripper. STOP WHINING!

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] aeternus_proeliator 13 years ago

Every argument against Carters innocence so far has been "he took part in crimes when he was a kid! He's clearly guilty!", "why didn't he take the polygraph test! Guilty!" or "look at the evidence! Guilty!", hilariously intentionally ignoring that the reason that 'evidence' was repeatedly dismissed after he won his appeal (including in Federal and the Supreme Court) because of police corruption and racism.

Strangely crying "omgz police had evidence" over and over again doesn't change the little problem that those officers had no evidence and based their idiocy off their own personal racist ignorance. They didn't. They arrested a black guy because he "looked like the killer", then proceeded to run a trial based on his past convictions and history instead of even remotely providing EVIDENCE during a trial.

They backed up hearsay with unrelated criminal history.

And it's pretty *beep* up so many in this forum think that's actually a legitimate way to establish something BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

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[–] tomlps 13 years ago

That is still circumstantial as f*uck and if it happened today I doubt they even get a grand jury to indite him.

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[–] jeanniemotherof3 13 years ago

Yes, sadly to say.
Only stupid people, woops).....
Well, I guess I mean, any intelligent person that does some real research can see how blatantly obvious it is that he committed this crime, does not take a rocket scientist by any means!
You know though, the way I look at it is this, at least he did do 20 years for it.A Lot of his time, he got pretty special treatment I am sure. He was kind of like a "star", Mr. popular. Then he wrote the famous book and got rich I'm sure.
But all and all, He still did some hard years.
Lets just say this, or I am anyway, It was a great film, Denzel is brilliant! Although it's not a true story at all, (the way it was portrayed} I still really enjoyed it.
As far as Carter, time served.
He will still stand before His Maker someday, which none of us can fool or con.

[–] aeternus_proeliator 12 years ago

Hahaha, sorry kid. Simply saying over and over again that "nuh-uh! he's guilty cause yous an idiot" isn't going to magically give you an argument.

[–] jeanniemotherof3 13 years ago

Ummmm, aeternus,
You may just be a bit naive, and slightly dense.

[–] aeternus_proeliator 12 years ago

Nice lack of argument you've got there.

You remind me of those pathetic *beep* who are currently trying to defend what Zimmerman did as "self-defense" by dredging up the (non) problems from his victims past. Such as marijuana posession and "how violent he looks on Facebook".

Carter didn't do it. No doubt you're the type of *beep* who would have sat on a jury in the 50's and flat out denied a cop could ever plant evidence against a black man.

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

Ok! Whatever you say, But He did do it. It's nice to believe he didn't though. Also it was a great film, You may still want to do your research there, and I could careless about making an argument by the way. I don't deny that dirty cops plant evidence, now, or in the 50's, the bullets found in his car were just one piece of mounds of evidence. They must have been some pretty physic cops to know exactly what kind of bullets to plant seeing as they were found BEFORE knowing what exact weapons or bullets were used in the murder. But hey, you never know right?! Since all I am concerned with according to you is stating a good argument here on IMDB! lol, your'e a joke.

[–] aeternus_proeliator 12 years ago

"Whatever you say! Cause he dids do it!"

Yeah, great lack of argument you've still got there to disprove his innocence.

*facepalm*

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

Yup,,,, "whatever you say"

Btw, He didS???? lol

[–] koffeenkreame41-1 9 years ago

Every argument against Carters innocence so far has been "he took part in crimes when he was a kid! He's clearly guilty!", "why didn't he take the polygraph test! Guilty!" or "look at the evidence! Guilty!", hilariously intentionally ignoring that the reason that 'evidence' was repeatedly dismissed after he won his appeal (including in Federal and the Supreme Court) because of police corruption and racism.

Strangely crying "omgz police had evidence" over and over again doesn't change the little problem that those officers had no evidence and based their idiocy off their own personal racist ignorance. They didn't. They arrested a black guy because he "looked like the killer", then proceeded to run a trial based on his past convictions and history instead of even remotely providing EVIDENCE during a trial.

They backed up hearsay with unrelated criminal history.

And it's pretty *beep* up so many in this forum think that's actually a legitimate way to establish something BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

Agreed. 

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[–] ashersam 13 years ago

I know Hurricane Carter was was The undisputed contender and he was framed by a racist system because the movie said so.

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

Because I guess your stupid enough to believe the film, although it was a great film, Denzel is brilliant no doubt, but if you wanna know the truth about the real Rubin Carter you will have to do your research as I did. No doubt, he did the crime.

[–] BertramWilberforceWooster 10 years ago

your stupid

Ironic.

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[–] Sensimilla 13 years ago

wasnt all the evidence there he just got screwed by a bunch of racists, well not really screwed cause he beat a murder charge because of it, so in a way he should have thanked all the racist southern yanks.

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

He did not beat anything! He got out on a technical thing due to a very liberal judge! There has never been any claim of innocence with any judge! Do your homework, don't be lazy if you really want the truth.

[–] hernanmachopaul 12 years ago

Hey Jeannie, why don't you try spending more time with your kids than ranting pointlessly on IMDB about Rubin Carter being guilty? And why are you so obsessed about him in the first place? You can't change things anymore, lighten up!

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

ok hernanmachopaul!

Thanks so much for your parenting advice, I am always open for suggestions. Just so you know they are 25, ( a gorgeous son with his masters degree now diving into a very successful, rewarding career) 2 beautiful daughters, who if you happen to be male I think and happen to see them, well, let me put it this way, it would be love at first sight for you! Yeah, that gorgeous. They happen to be 21 and 22, thriving in there junior and senior year of college. And just for the record,I have had more time with my kids over the years than the average mother, I was blessed to be a stay at home mom, and now residing right across the street from there college, WOW! Just amazing, see them almost every day.

So, now that I got the important stuff out there I will tell you this, just for the fun of it, mind you...

I happened to view this film after the super bowl, at a party my cousin told me about it. I absolutely loved it and think Denzel is brilliant, to say the least. I enjoy coming on here to read and discuss films after I see them. I happened to run across some things here and I was pretty shocked. So, for the fun of it I began some research, it was interesting to me as I am a huge fan of boxing, Ali and Frazier, which whom both appeared in the film. Well to make a long story short I dove in pretty hard for a straight weekend. It was exciting and I learned much info that I decided to share on here, even met someone in prison with Artis, and got real court transcripts from Patterson New Jersey.
As far as trying to change anything I am not, I could really care less the outcome, although I do feel bad for the victims and families, and what they had to endure back sometime ago, It had to be a nightmare for them.

As far as Carter goes I feel like He did a hard almost 20 years, time served, and he is doing somewhat good things since his release back in the eighties. So as far as I am concerned it all turned out well!! People are being changed and motivated by his fast talking psychopath mentality, even though he is a liar, he is a good one, A lot of people don't know it, I wouldn't of either. He's super slick, a very intelligent young man, and encourages many to do good things with there life. So..... you lighten up there buddy, I'm pretty great myself.

Enjoy your day.

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[–] hernanmachopaul 12 years ago

Well to make a long story short I dove in pretty hard for a straight weekend. It was exciting and I learned much info that I decided to share on here, even met someone in prison with Artis, and got real court transcripts from Patterson New Jersey.

But you still can't prove whether he's guilty or not, so why are you trying so desperately?

[–] jeanniemotherof3 12 years ago

Well Number one, I am not. I know he is guilty. Like dah! I don't need to prove anything, I am just making conversation and stating my knowledge in my re search. Nothing more!

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[–] cadeduelg 11 years ago

Yes, it should actually matter that you get the right person for the right crime.

I don't care what he did before. Did he commit the crimes for which he was accused? That is what matters.

[–] tyrexden 11 years ago

I remember leaving the theater thinking that even on a fictional level, the movie did not raise any points to make me doubt that they had the right man all along, particularly for a movie who's seemingly sole purpose was to depict a setup.

I don't really care... If he did it, and beat the system... oh well. it happens... Its the right of every man, guilty or innocent, to fight the charges and be proven guilty.... At worst, the system failed... I just hope that people don't consider this guy some type of hero.

[–] guncrazy54 11 years ago

The people who still think he's guilty are just racists.

[–] Bob__Loblaw 10 years ago

Troll much Guncrazy54?

Here is a fun story from the racist MLK page!

http://www.martinlutherking.org/hurricane1.html

[–] Humanity2869 10 years ago

What is it!!! maybe it's the low cost of phones with internet that all the racist's seem to have internet access and they seem to be commenting on every film that features a non-white story. I bet either Fox News/Koch Brothers or some other right wing nazi organisation is funding these stupid people to go on the net & spread their hate. This was the strategy of the right wing after Barack Obama got elected The President of the United States, Karl Rove said on Faux News that the right wing have to get more computer literate & I think these comments are due to that...pathetic.