Hoffmann's character


What was the point with this character and the subplot with him and his student?

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I was just thinking about this. The only thing I could think of from a structural pout of view, would be that his presence allows for commentary on Monty's predicament together with Pepper's character. Also, him being around sort of takes 'intimacy' out of Norton and Pepper's scenes together. His interest in his student seems out of place - actually I found the film a bit all over the place, generally, with all its threads and stylised 'movements' and cartoon gangsters etc. Yes, I'm sure that a lot of all of what I'm referring to as probelmatic was in the novel, but that's neither here nor there. The only thing that made me go back for a second viewing was Pepper's compelling rendering of his seemingly less than interesting character - damned good performance.

Manton

If to stand pat means to resist evil then, yes, neighbour, we wish to stand pat.

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Thanks for the reply, still don't make sense to me though :P

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Without him, who would pepper's character talk about norton's character with - we learn about the protagonist through other's responses to them. That's the problem with taking him out - you'd lose the insights into what's in store for the protagonist in jail and how he may not ever get back to his old life. Still don't like it myself but that's something concrete.

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Yeah I understand that. But the whole teacher/pupil thing felt out of place.

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Yeah I understand that. But the whole teacher/pupil thing felt out of place.

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maybe trying to point out that all kinds of crimes are committed with no consiquence, ie jacob and student, barry pepper defrauding foreign govt, father taking loans off of russians, but montys is the only one going to jail, ie street crime/minority crimes

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YES! That makes more sense.

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3 characters, all from the same background, all end up in different walks of life. Different social structures...

Spike was going for an angle of how not much can separate a criminal from an intellectual. An intellectual and a capitalist. Etc etc... Also their relationship with Society. Who's the REAL Criminal? A,B or C? All of the above? This film directly reflected the uncertainty of NYC post 9/11 but it's not limited to it. NYC is the Mecca of the USA. Where all races and religions come to a crossroads.

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1). As others have said, the subplot with the student shows that everyone is capable of committing crime. So what makes Monty so much worse; why does Monty deserve 7 years for drugs when Jacob just kissed a child? The movie contains a clear commentary about crime.

2). Jacob is an overall good dude. He is an English teacher. His presence shows that Monty could have surrounded himself with good people, like Jacob, instead of bad people, like the Russians. Remember Jacob and Frank (while watching Ground Zero), say, "I can't believe he invited us to this ... We hardly see Monty nowadays." The father at the diner also says, "I miss those boys" in reference to Frank and Jacob. The point, again, is that Monty started to spend more time with the Russians instead of his good friends, like Jacob. The movie's fundamental message is that Monty could have done better; he screwed it up. He should've stuck close with Jacob & Frank.

3). Having Frank, Naturelle, and the dad alone just seems a little lonely. One more friend (Jacob) helped round out the group.

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