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Second Renaissance made no sense

posted 14 years ago by Novosibirsk
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So the machines started rebelling becaus one of them defended itself from its human master. His reasoning: he didnt want to die. Now where did he get this "will to live"? Didnt the humans just program him to take orders, serve humans?

The Anwser: He got hit in the head with a bottle. Thats right. A bottle hit him in the head and he turn from a "if 10101 then 1010101" machine into a metallic human. Yeah.

But becaus the robots name is that of some historic figure in code - then THIS IS DEEP.

EDIT: Just understood now that this was supposed to be funny. Damn I can be slow at times.

[–] tonyhoag 14 years ago

buddy, settle down. We're "programmed" by our parents to do certain things. They shape our minds. Do you not remember the first time you rebelled?

[–] Novosibirsk 14 years ago

Yeah..... kids rebel ALL THE TIME. Parents constantly have to bombard them with "dont do this, dont do that" (programming) ... and kids Resist! They test how the parents will react if they ignore the orders, they do things when they arent looking, yada.

A robot rebelling like that is just stupid.

[–] Stevicus-2 14 years ago

A robot rebelling like that is just stupid.

I wouldn't call it "stupid," but I tend to agree that they didn't really delve into what might have occurred at the moment that machines turned from unthinking, unfeeling automatons into thinking, sentient beings with intelligence and self-awareness. I can suspend my disbelief and just accept that they "got smart" for the sake of the story, but I also can't help but think in the back of my mind that there must have been some insane human programmer somewhere in the mix.

[–] Melodeath619 14 years ago

some insane human programmer somewhere in the mix.

At least we got 'the Architect' from the original serie, who seems similar.

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.

[–] winstonlite 13 years ago

There wasn't an instant where the machines became sentient. They had already been programmed with AI, their sense of self evolved over time. The incident where one machine said no (just like Caesar in Planet of the Apes) inspired others to stand up for themselves and the rebellion started because humans couldn't stand to think of the machines as sentient beings with rights.

[–] PreachCaleb 14 years ago

That's the whole point of AI. To learn on its own.

In Punk we trust.

[–] devirginizer83-1 13 years ago

How did Human beings become intelligent?

Mutations in our DNA happen every second. They are predictable. Their effects however, are unpredictable.

Same with Machines. Make a Machine complex enough and you will have bits of code degenerating and mutating spontaneously. It's only a matter of time before mutation occurs.

[–] Nanotechnician 12 years ago

No, it's not the same. Wrong analogy.

For data storage (in bits) e.g. CRC is used to detect and correct accidental changes to raw data. This really works.

Have you ever heard of someone whose bank account value accidentally changed?
If data stored in bits were unreliable, then 5,125,526.12 USD changing (because one bit is falling apart) into 9 million has the same chance as 5 cents turning into 9 cents.

In other words: the current information revolution couldn't take place if data just accidentally changes. Even if it's just one bit, it must be, and is, detected and repaired. Because that one bit may be extremely important.

[–] Archeoterrex 12 years ago

No you idiot, they started rebelling because of a chain events which made things more difficult for machines who had evolved sentience.

*note* I use the word "evolved" in a different sense than the way that life evolved.

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[–] csmith15 12 years ago

I thought the part about them basically being invulnerable to nuclear weapons was beyond silly. Sure the radioactive fallout may not have "hurt" them but the EMP from all those blasts would surely shut down every machine within a huge area. Not to mentin the whole, ya know, nuclear explosion. I got the point of the story and if you ignore the glaring plot holes (like most sci-fi materials) it is quite a good bit of sci-fi and a good piece of story telling but there is a difference between minor gaffes and simply ignoring the laws of physics. It's still better than the second and third Matrix movies though, those would have been much better served being prequels instead of the wandering and bizarre stories that they were.

Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

[–] DoctorFell 12 years ago

in the movies, the only thing that totally F£*%s the machines in large numbers is EMP, so they have obviously devolved from the cartoon

trashing books is like the Special Olympics even if you win & burn them all you are still a retard.