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Just watched this on Netflix


I thought it was totally lame how the movie skipped over his conversation with Koda about his mom's death. It's like they were too lazy to write dialogue. It seemed so dumb to skip it especially because it made it confusing whether he just told him that she was dead or told him that he is the one who killed her. That's the other thing that seemed dumb about the movie: how could anyone be friends with someone that murdered their mother no matter how sorry they were? It is just too sad and it's unbelievable. They should have made the mom's death a little more accidental or something to make it more forgivable

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I've just watched it on Netflix, too, and had similar thoughts. I'm not really a Disney fan, but I thought this was the best I have seen in a long time. I was particularly happy that they kept the annoying songs to a minimum. But they put one in the worst possible moment. They had the potential for a very dramatic scene, and then they decide to ruin it by replacing dialog with a stupid song. I guess the reason was precisely the potential for drama, which, in the studio's view, might have been too strong for children. I only disagree that the mother's death should have been more accidental, because that would reduce the strength of the situation, but I do think that forgiveness from Koda came too fast and easy.

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It was probably that too, Disney thinking it would be too dark to directly address. According to the Blu-Ray/DVD extras, they decided to go with the final cut with Phil Collin's No Way Out (Soundtrack Version) playing in the background, as they thought it best represented the tone of the situation. This was explained before they showed the early version of that scene, which was roughly animated with the full dialogue presented.

As I watched and listened to it (it might even be on YouTube) I kept shaking my head thinking they should have went with the early version. Everything was done written and recorded for that scene, it was a matter of fully animating it. There was even unheard emotional instrumental score playing in the background. I love everyone song from that film but No Way Out has to be one of the weakest ones (lyrically the Pop version is better but in my opinion it has no place in the movie).

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"but I do think that forgiveness from Koda came too fast and easy."

Agreed. This is another issue I've had with the story. Though Koda doesn't forgive Kenai right away, it's still came too fast.

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It should have had a bittersweet ending. Koda should have forgiven Kenai, but stayed with the other bears. Kenai should have become human again to live amongst his people with a newfound respect for nature and animals.

More Fox and the Hound, less 'happily ever after'.

I agree also that Koda, forgiving though he might be, should not have stayed friends with Kenai. That's unbelievable.

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"It should have had a bittersweet ending. Koda should have forgiven Kenai, but stayed with the other bears. Kenai should have become human again to live amongst his people with a newfound respect for nature and animals.

More Fox and the Hound, less 'happily ever after'.

I agree also that Koda, forgiving though he might be, should not have stayed friends with Kenai. That's unbelievable."

Though I definitively agree with your theory, the choice of Kenai returning to be a bear again was a part of his arc. It was a part of his realization and growth, so regardless of me personally cringing of the idea, it was still a choice that was dramatically satisfying for his arc.

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You pretty much nailed the problem that I've had with this movie since it's release. The theme and the message is about love being a tool for forgiveness and though the actions are executed for dramatic purposes, the notion of the plausibility of still loving someone that murdered your mother is... unrealistic, to say it at least. I'm honestly baffled that there's been so few people have brought it up, yet of course the movie never dwells on this issue, since it stresses the message of forgiveness.

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do u honestly t`ink dat de reason 4 havin` a song durin` kenai's confession 2 koda is cuz of laziness of writin` dialogue? r u serious?? *shakin` my head*

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