Mattfg, the unfair double-standard that I speak of regarding the showing of penises in R-rated films and complete avoidance of vaginas is a completely sound and logical argument. It is NOT difficult to show a women's vagina; the woman merely has to be in a natural body position. Directors actually have to take great pains and use careful camera angles and editing to avoid showing vaginas. A woman could easily be on all fours, or bent over, or in any number of positions with her legs apart for her vulva to be visible.
The fact that we NEVER see any of these positions, and NEVER see a woman's vulva in a mainstream film, is absolutely ridiculous! It is impossible for this to occur without a strong, concerted effort to avoid showing vaginas/female genitalia. This is particularly unfair when penises are shown in numerous films. Similar camera tricks/angles could be used to avoid showing male genitalia (such as side nudity, rear nudity, having an object obstructing the camera view, etc) but these devices are NOT employed. So it is the unfairness of this situation that appalls and disgusts me. I'm surprised that more men haven't figured it out yet and complained about it. If I were a director I could EASILY come up with a scene that would show a vagina and not be "obviously pornographic" as you claim. It only takes a little imagination. Just as homosexuals like to look at penises and balls, us heterosexual men want to see a woman's vagina or anus in a mainstream film too!
I do agree with you that there needs to be more erotica (for both straight and gay audiences) that is more high brow and not just porn. Porn is often boring, mechanical, and redundant... while erotic nudity in a legitimate film can be far more exciting. But at least the gays get that with movies like this. You can see erotic male genitalia in this film, which was only rated UK-15. There is no film anywhere that shows several clear vulva shots that is rated UK-15. If I want to see a woman's genitalia (vagina or anus) I have to rent a porn....that is completely unfair. I would like to see more mainstream films that have a legitimate plot and feature female genital nudity. Anyways, I don't have a problem with anyone who watches this as a good gay nudie flick (which I agree it probably is), I have a problem with people who pretend this is just an art film and not cheesecake. It also bothers me that there are not similar films showing equally graphic female genitalia.
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