Is the major a lesbian?


I've seen a lot of posts that refer to her "girlfriend" I haven't seen the whole series, so clearly I've missed this point. It never occurred to me before that Kusanagi might be a lesbian or bisexual, although it seems to be suggested in the first film, because the "puppet master" uses a female cyborg body to sort of seduce the major into "merging" with him. It also would explain why none of the section 9 guys seem to go after her in a romantic way. Because they know she's not into guys.

UPDATE: The 2nd edition of the manga makes it explicitly clear that Motoko is fairly sexually adventurous, and certainly could be considered bisexual. (I have only read the first edition which was censored by Dark Horse.) The show has apparently kept some of this element, but without saying anything overtly. The film never really had time to go into such things, but as I said, the major does merge with a "fembot."

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The Major's sexuality is something of a grey area, as far as I can tell. We see her lazing up half-naked with her other half-naked female friends, and then the three of them in the same bed, so she has at least lesbian tendencies. She later acts like she has a crush on Kuze but it's not sure if it's romantic or just the shock of discovering someone from her childhood. Then there's coming onto that kid in Taiwan but it's not clear if she's serious or not.

Batou, for one, is attracted to her but never acts on it. Maybe because, for all his bravado and obvious badass-ness, he's too shy and she's too aloof to notice or care.

Interesting question. She's been the better part of a machine for most of her life and, in the movie at least, has constant doubt as to her humanity so maybe her self-concept as a woman, and thus her sexuality, is shaky at best.

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One of the early ones in season 1. Even then, she wasn't very interested in getting it on with her girlfriends; I got the impression she was only over to use the computer there.

Maybe asexual is the best description of her? After all, she struggles a lot with her basic humanity so it makes sense for her sexuality to be equally vague and undefined even to herself.

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"she's too aloof to notice or care."

See, I don't know about that...when I think of the major "aloof" seems the last thing that comes to mind...I always had the feeling that Batou and her very obviously love each other but since they're cyborgs they can't get too far physically...kind of that sort of thing that either we don't see it mentioned or it just doesn't really NEED to be mentioned if that makes sense.

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Yes but are there gynoids in the Ghost In The Shell universe, I mean it would make sense that they both have genitalia.

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Well, I know in Innocence there are "sexaroids" so to speak...the person talking about them mentions "they have certain parts not found in most models"...it's been some time, but I THINK in the Manga they can have sex but only through linking, and it can be really unpleasant if the person doesn't know what they're doing (which is why, if I remember, opposite sex "sex" is more likely to be painful because they're dealing with unfamiliar or incompatible parts.) Though really, it has little to do with the story, like the creator of Ren and Stimpy said when asked if they were gay, "I don't know, that's none of my business" :)

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I would think that sex would have something to do with GITS 2nd gig or Stand alone complex as it is not only a political thriller/action piece, it also seems to have a futurist bent. Is the managa any good? Also sex in a post human society seems to be something that GITS creator would want to tackle, though this is just my observation.

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If you read the manga and I gather that you have, it is made clear that Motoko is bisexual. I mean, she has a live-in dude but there also is a threesome scene wherein Motoko gets it on with two female cyborgs (I had loved Batou's reaction to being an unintended party to that!). In SAC, we don't see her with a man, but it is implied that she as "girlfriends with benefits" across the city.

As for Section 9, well... I don't know about the team (get to that later), but I always thought that there was an unspoken love in between the Major and Batou. That was when I memorized the movie; my thoughts only were strengthened by 'Innocence' - that Batou felt protective of the Major because of his feelings, and the Major knew it, but did not do anything about it (the closest she gets in the films to reciprocity). In short, there was an 'understanding' in between them that never needed words, or any sort of usual expression of affection to exist. It's THERE and that's enough for them (*sigh*).

In the manga, it is implied that Batou may fancy her, but he has other ventures and their personalities differ too much to be reconciled in an actual relationship. At least, that's what I recall, I'm not so sure.

In SAC, I think those who posted before me said it. Batou's into the Major, the Major knows it, but neither take it any further. The final episode of the 1st GIG (Batou's reactions to the team's comments) is clear evidence that he fancies her. As for the Major, well... she is more engaging than the cold shell she is in the films, closer to the manga version, and likes to tease Batou. The indication that Batou approaches to the subject, despite his feelings, rather casually is in 1st GIG Episode 15 - his choice of words for the Major's secret emergency meeting being "This isn't the proper atmosphere for a confession of love, either." given context, this becomes quite something else.

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In the manga, yeah it's pretty clear she's bisexual, or at least sexually adventurous. But in SAC, I think she likely has no interest in sexuality. Yes, Korean, Asexual might be the best way to describe her. When she's over at her girlfriend's house, she obviously doesn't really care that her friends are half-naked. And she also doesn't really react to Batou's jokes about her. Then there was the thing with the Taiwanese kid, but she could have been joking. By her facial expression, though she could have actually been trying to act suggestive.

As for the whole thing about Batou and the Major, I'm all for it. There's some subtle hints that they might be sharing a behind-the-scenes romance, like in the episode where she opens up to Batou, and in episode 16 when she poses as his wife for Batou's fake picture, and then at the end of Solid State Society, he's got his arm around her. It could be that the others in Section 9 could know it, that would explain why they never try to chase after her heart.

But really, with every scene involving the major's sexuality being totally ambiguous, it's likely she's just asexual.

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The Major definitely has had sex with women in the manga and it's pretty heavily hinted at in the 1st series of SAC - so she's at least bisexual.

However it gets a little more complicated in SAC episode 24 when Batou asks her why she doesn't just get a male body. She then says that she changed her body and braincase as circumstances required and that she'd just change her memories too. So it's not 100% certain that the Major is who we think she is, and may not even be who SHE thinks she is. So there's the possibility that she may have - or may in the future - changed sex.

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This is a good assessment, I had never really thought about the Major having a sexual identity. It makes one wonder if technology manifested in reality as it appears as it does the Ghost in the Shell universe were to actually occur, if asexuality would be become a problem or harmless phenomena.

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I'm not convinced its a matter of being homosexual or bisexual. (and i dont think she's so withdrawn from humanity as to be asexual...someone has to be pretty far removed to have zero attraction to another human sexually)

I think its that she's simply attracted to whoever she's attracted to regardless of their sexual identity. In a society where the gender you are born with is not permanent in that you can change prosthetic bodies on a whim (if you can afford it), how can you tell what the actual gender of who youre talking to anyway? Not to mention that its made clear she was cyberized very young, prepubescent, so she didnt go through puberty like we did and therefore would not have developed a sexual identity like the rest of us did. So she didnt have to go through that whole "do i like girls?" "do i like boys?" "do i like both?" phase and likely ended up able to ask "do i like this person? do i like that person?" instead.

I mean, in one episode she suggests they go to a strip club if the mission is scrubbed, in another her female friends are disappointed that she's working which to me implies that there are other times she comes over and is playing instead of working, she comes on to that teenage male, and if anyone thinks she wouldnt have banged Kuze they're not paying attention. So i suppose if one wanted to put a conventional label on it "bisexual" is not inaccurate, but i see it as more just "sexual".

OR, i need to not be posting when ive been awake for 30 hours...

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^ Pansexual is the word you're looking for. It means being attracted to... well, anyone. Doesn't matter who they are; transgender, transvestite, hermafrodite, castrated man, woman with three what-whats... You can Youtube for people's vlogs about the subject (most of them are uploaded women).

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