Lotso's fate


Despite my misgivings about a third Toy Story movie, (I thought the second ended perfectly) it was still an enjoyable romp if a little thematically redundant. Take for example what happens to Lotso. I think the ending would've left a better taste if Lotso had repented of his evil ways, rather than becoming just another Pixar bully villain like Stinky Pete.

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Lotso had his chance to be redeemed. All he had to do was press a button.

But do you really think the twisted nihilist toy who created the tiered system at Sunnycide could be swayed by a few words? Repenting would mean admitting that Woody was right and he was wrong, which he is too egotistical and bitter to do.

He was far worse than the Prospector, harming an entire daycare's worth of toys instead of just three without any real goal or future reward in mind. In fact, for a while I was scanning my usual sites for a good fanfic where Pete lives with that girl they leave him with for a few years and gradually learns how great it is to be loved by a child, and then maybe finds Woody and Buzz and apologizes. Pete I could see being repentant, but not so much Lotso. Even Woody gives up on him in the end.

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Lotso had his chance to be redeemed. All he had to do was press a button.

But do you really think the twisted nihilist toy who created the tiered system at Sunnycide could be swayed by a few words? Repenting would mean admitting that Woody was right and he was wrong, which he is too egotistical and bitter to do.


That's circular reasoning. You're basically saying that because he was portrayed as an irredeemable jerk, that means we couldn't have it any other way.

Lotso was damaged goods, emotionally and psychologically scarred by his supposed abandonment. In the end, his tragic backstory only goes so far as to explain his behaviour but offers no hopes of redemption. Woody, of all toys, should've been able to empathize with Lotso's feelings, but instead of reaching out and helping him through his pain, which would've led to an encouraging moral to the film, Woody makes a token attempt to reason with Lotso but quickly resorts to antagonism in order to turn Big Baby against his master. And having him leave the toys to die in the incinerator was a step too far.

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That's funny, because in this video, Woody DOES say something to Lotso which causes him to have a quick change of heart for the better (but may have scarred Big Baby):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEnVEPaCH8A

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Lmfaooooo that was amazing. Thanks for posting that link!

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All he did with Big Baby was expose Lotso to him, he revelaed the truth he didn't "turn him against Lotso".

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Test audiences agreed with you. Myself, I'm glad Pixar stuck to their guns. There was no event that would have caused him to change his behavior. Redemption would have come across as just another cookie-cutter 'happy ending.' If anything, the other characters had taken the preschool from him, he should have been especially spiteful.

I think they ended the movie correctly.

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Test audiences agreed with you.


Really? Can I have a source for this?

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It just seems like Lotso was completely amoral and beyond redemption. I mean, look at how callous he had become.

"Guys, we filmed the wrong book."-Peter Jackson on Bored of the Rings

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