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But did Diana and Steve have sex?

posted 7 years ago by Popcorn Kernel (2368)
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In that attic room in the Belgian village that they liberated.
He touched her face and then the camera pulls back to see their window from the outside, and the scene ends. Not even a kiss? I mean, I know they had to keep it rated PG, but they could have at least showed a kiss. So are we to assume they did the deed?
I feel like that would be a big deal for her especially, but they never make any mention or reference to it after that night, and her and Steve still never have an onscreen kiss after that. What gives?

In mythology, Diana/Artemis was a virgin goddess who never married or had children. (most other goddesses did marry gods and have god children)
Is this Diana supposed to be her? Because Diana's mother was not Hippolyta (queen of the amazons). In mythology, Artemis was a twin sister of Apollo, their father was Jupiter/Zeus and their mother was Latona/Leto. (Roman name/greek name)

[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

most comicbook movies have been very desexualised affairs... i suspect chinese market censorship and mass appeal is a big consideration....

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

But seriously, they could have showed a KISS at least?
With all the violence and dead bodies, you can't show a kiss?
Did you deduce that they had sex and then never spoke or thought about it again?
It's just weird from a character standpoint, for it not to be more significant.
Diana never saw men before, and since there were no children on her island other than her (and she wasn't conceived and born in the normal human way), then it's safe to assume she had no idea what sex even was. So actually having sex with a human man would a pretty big deal for her.

[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

do you think it was a directorial choice? i can understand not showing her being dominated sexually, but maybe even a kiss would have been too overt... or would result in too much submissivness on her part, or is the idea to keep her character childlike and desexualised?

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

So are you saying you think they didn't have sex?

[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

no idea. i havent seen the movie... thats why im asking

[–] Mavican (85) 7 years ago

I like overall like that we didn't get some raunchy in your face sex scene in WW, I think it's implied though that they did. I like that i wasn't made into some big changing her as a person/they're so in love thing, fighting the war/Ares came first. They both remained strong characters in their own right, not second to some greater love story.

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

I'm just saying that If they did do it, it would have been a bigger deal to someone like Diana who didn't even know what sex was, had never heard of it and never heard anyone talk about it, than to a normal human girl who knew it was a normal thing to do.
Not that it would change her as a person, but it would be a whole new concept, like discovering a new planet or something. I think her innocence/ curiosity would have made it not raunchy at all. Because she wouldn't even know that sex is supposedly dirty or sinful or whatever, since she never grew up with that programming.

[–] Mavican (85) 7 years ago

>Diana who didn't even know what sex was

Didn't they cover this on the boat where Diane was like:
D: Steve sleep with me
S: Uhhh unmarried unfamiliar people don't do that
D: they don't sleep next to each other
S: No, they don't...
D: Oh have sex, we're just sleeping closely together Steve
S: How do you know about that if there are no males on your island
D: I read ALL 12 volumes on sexuality by some author, that unfortunately came to the conclusion that men were usuful for procreation, no ideal for pleasure.
S: Oh, all...12 volumes 0.o

But yeah, she probably grew up reading some 12 volumed version on the karma Sutra. So yeah, she knew what sex and sex adjacent things where, extensively it would appear, it just wasn't her driving focus (she was off the fight Ares after all).

I think the media likes to spread this idea of the young trembling virgin female that needs to be lead and is completely sexually incompetent which i don't think we've been given the impression of Diana being as a person. Sure there would probably be the normal weirdness if it was on screen. It's either that or that viewers would find her to be an outrageously competent virgin and complain about it, despite the fact sex is notoriously misrepresented in media (AllSexisGreatSexOnCamera trope and no get's up to pee after etc).

But to get back to it:
Tl;Dr Better to not show an unnecessary sex scene that would probably do nothing but add controversy given WW is not a 'love story'. Diana and Steve weren't necessarily in love, doesn't mean they couldn't have sex, or that they weren't friends. Plus it's war, things happen. Not being a love story or about sexuality makes it better as a film.

Edit: Given the scene on the boat, and the time period, unless Steve frequented brothels, he probably knew less about sex that Diana, excluding having had had it (theoretically, he may have been a virgin himself being unmarried). Then again an island full of women....

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

'I think the media likes to spread this idea of the young trembling virgin female that needs to be lead and is completely sexually incompetent'

I won't argue about what "the media" does, but I can only say that is not at all what I, as an individual person, was trying to say. Like 180 degrees off.

[–] Mavican (85) 7 years ago

Also, because i'm writing this after my previous long post:

Popcorn, i mean no offence, AT ALL, but i get the feeling maybe you're coming at this from a male perspective, and how 'virgin' women are typically portrayed and boxed into characters in the media. Not all women are the same when it comes to sexuality. Many women might be sexual textbooks in their knowledge, despite not having sex. Plus i'm not sure it we're to presume that Diana is some young 16 (thus you might be expecting the young virgin stereotype). I view Diana more as a late 20's woman as opposed to a girl. I'll say again, despite the protagonist being a hot young female, this film is not a love story (unless you count humanity), it's a war story (with some faith above all chucked in). I think directorial choosing not to include a sex scene really helps reinforce this, and given how easy and expected it tends to be that women protagonist stories are always somehow a love story across most genres, i really think the female directors did a fantastic job making WW about WW and her faith in the world and he courage in fighting for it, as opposed to some sappy 'my first love died back in the war back way back when'.

>it would have been a bigger deal to someone like Diana

And again to pop in, it isn't necessarily a big deal to anyone, or everyone, women or men. You just think, i think, because the media makes such a big deal about the 'first time' (which is often really crappy - and short - for first timers) for the virgin ingenue and her first/true love (because that's how media/stereotypes/archetypes work) that to not have that hammed up for emotional relevance on screen is...not the norm and somehow wrong??

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

Nope. I am a female and a feminist.
You have completely misread my question.

[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

A virgin is a virgin... regardless of textbook knowledge, virgins are ignorant of how sex feels and thus what it really is and how it would affect them...

[–] Volley (3387) 7 years ago

If sex is had and they don't show it, it's usually brought up in a following scene later in the movie "you don't regret last night, do you?" or "what we had last night was incredible." That said, it isn't everything and comic book movies tend to stray away from such affairs.