Homoerotic subtext


Maybe I'm just looking into this a bit, but do you think there were a few homoerotic moments in the film: *spoiler* 1) There was a scene where a reporter asked McAvoy's character whether there was anything between him and the president. 2) When McAvoy was changing the president awkwardly went into the room with him and even looked at him as he changed. And 3) The scene where the president tells McAvoy's character that the reason he hasn't left is because he loved him. Am I the only one who thought this?

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Although I do not agree, your observations are interesting.

I thought Idi Amin's sex drive was diverted into his taste for violence. He seemed potent,yet essentially asexual. Amin had a complete lack of sexual chemistry with anyone around him. The doctor was vigorously heterosexual.

The love between the characters stemmed from a shared lack of emotional maturity. At first the doctor saw Idi Amin as an avuncular figure, an authority figure who indulged instead of chastised. People are good at deluding themselves in any relationship;the Amin he loved was an oversized mask. The moment the doctor realized Amin had the mind of a warped, vicious child, his love for him died.

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Hmm, very interesting analysis.

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That's pretty much what I understood from the film too.

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I do not agree, you have to see it in the light of american culture and african culture. American culture is prudent towards this. African culture is easier, men holding hands, being physically close is normal, nothing homoerotic about this. The fact that he stayed in his room was more a macho thing, like we're not going to be sissies. The scene in which he said: you love me, was an expression of power, an expression of bonding though in a very strange way.

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Yes, excellent points -- I thought that Amin was sort of a charismatic father figure for Nicholas in a way -- Nicholas had a cold, detached father and Amin seemed warm, spontaneous,and indulgent (in a good way initially). Also I think the scene in which Amin barges in on the changing/naked Nicholas shows that Amin had no respect for the boundaries of others. It is also a way of asserting dominance over Nicholas -- he realizes that Nicholas is uncomfortable but he is pushing him.

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I think homoerotic subtexts are more common than people realize especially when someone looks up to or envies something in the other person. The person may not even realize it but I think it's about wanting the other person's qualities in almost ritualistic way where the person could eat (consume) the other person if they could and sex is a way of consuming someone or trying to siphon off that person's energy. There's more to sexual energy than just sex, it's your creative energy and a part of your drive and will to power in this world. It's why I am saying the people experiencing the subtext may not even know it but it's apparent to other people.

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I really would not have put that slant on it at all. When amin tells the doctor that he loves him, it was more like "I am the leader and my people love me" ie more of a paternal kind of love.
as for looking at him getting changed, he could have just wanted to see if white men had smaller penises than black men. oh no, wait, yes you are right

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I wouldn't say that there is homoerotic subtext, but Nicholas is trapped in an abusive quasi-father/son relationship; in a sense, his situation is similar to Kay in that they're both being controlled by Amin through love and fear. Amin follows the classic abuser behavioural pattern of showering the abused with gifts and attention, only to hurt them viciously afterwards (whether through psychological, physical or sexual violence). The cycle then repeats itself.

When Amin glanced at Nicholas' nude body while the younger man was changing his clothing, it represented his full "possession" of Nicholas. It was a subtle way of communicating to the audience that the doctor had become the beloved object (emphasis on the word object) of his paternal affection. Amin "owned" Nicholas as a son almost as much as he "owned" Kay as a wife.

I thought it was very natural the way Nicholas and Kay were drawn to each other. It's not just attraction; they also connected through a profound sense of helplessness living under the iron fist of such a powerful and terrifying person.

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Very good post, siberia82-1. I also saw it this way and saw no sexual subtext at all between Nicholas and Amin. It was indeed a warped sense of possession and "paternal" love. This is even more evidenced when Amin states that the father is disappointed (or words to that effect) when he confronts Nicholas in the end at the airport.

I would even hazard that if it had been Amin's idea, he would have had no trouble divorcing Kay and giving her to Nicholas, but because these things happened behind his back, he chose to use them for anger.

I do wonder, though, if he would have eventually done anything if Nicholas had not made the attempt on his life, or if he would just held onto the event and used it against Nicholas whenever it was convenient for his volatile mood.

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That's astute. Kay was a possession, not a woman he loved or held any sexual passion for. I could easily imagine Amin divorcing Kay, then giving her to Nicholas the way he gave him that sweet car. Amin's rage came from the challenge to his absolute authority, not sexual jealousy. If Amin had latent desire for Nicholas, he would have shared Kay. Isn't that called troilism-when a man subconciously wants to sleep with a certain man and instead sleeps with the same woman?

The real betrayal was the attempt on his life.It's possibly the only thing that could have made Amin willing to kill Nicholas. All along, Nicholas had the power that all doctors do, that of life and death.


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Interesting take . . . but I don't think what you're talking about is "homoerotic." People (read: Americans) see "homoerotic subtexts" in situations WAY too loosely (especially in movies/books/etc. depicting male behavior and relationships in foreign cultures). I learned this lesson traveling around the world; my sheltered American ideas about male "distance" and "propriety" were tested and shattered many times. For instance, in Europe, no one thinks two young males traveling around together (even staying in the same small hotel room) is at all odd . . . whereas we in America would look twice and make instant assumptions. But you are right that there is more to sexual "energy" than actual sex. In most foreign cultures, what we might interpret as "homoerotic" is usually in fact power and ranking games (including the crowning of the "alpha"), if you will. Women go about this process in a different way.

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Very well-written analysis, but I disagree. Nicholas was drawn in by Amin's charisma, and believed he was truly committed to making Uganda better, and loved him in a very platonic way.

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I think there are people out there who are obsessed that MacDonald's films have homoerotic subtext.

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There are people out there who are obsessed with any film involving two male leads and tries to inject them with homoerotic subtext.

They are either kids, idiots or trolls with an insecure sexual identity.

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I think you're just reading in way to much OP!

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I don't like this kind of thread either, but for once I think there's an argument to be made. Grown men don't watch other grown men change. Its just not normal.

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I think OP's second example is by far the most concrete.

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I'm all about homoerotic subtext in film but, I don't see it here. I think a lot of people misread that scene:

Keep in mind that Amin had probably never seen a white man's nude body up close in person and Nicolas (Mcavoy) is Scottish and exceptionally pale, something Amin isn't use to seeing. That's why he appeared to be gawking: Nicolas is an "exotic" in a land of Ugandans.

It's actually an interesting scene; it's like the reverse of the white man's fascination/objectification of the African male's body over the centuries.

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Update on my opinion: Amin was a dictator and probably had a sense of propriety over Nicolas and pretty much anyone he came across, which may have read as sexual.

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And there was that scene where they smell each others farts. VERY EROTIC, don't you think?

That scene has beer, ASSpirin, and a bat. The doctor gets behind the big black dude and uses the bat.

I am laughing hard as I am typing this.

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