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Rate 12.20 - Twigs & Twine & Tasha Banes


The good? The bad? Thoughts?

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I liked it, which is very rare for me lately. I like Yockey he can stay.

The good: For some reason Yockey's episode titles amuse the hell out of me. By some miracle a Dean hero moment made it past Dabb and Singer. I was surprised by which twin bought it and even more surprised with her return. Yockey is on a streak with his characters. He has three really original Supernatural hunters with Lily Sunder and the twins. He creates a few more and he could have his own Monster Squad spin off.

The bad: Please fix the colt Sammy. Everything with Mary and Ketch.

So overall a 7. I liked the witch story and his original spin on it. Had to subtract a few points for the BoL mess they had to shoehorn in.

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Yockey gets that the show is character driven. Speight's direction is spotless. Sam's tossled hair and Dean's red shirt. Garth
is still hunting...so far.Liked the lifted line from the pilot about a parent being on a hunting trip. Liked the comment about growing up = seeing parents as flawed- DEAN getting there? Predictable that Mary would underestimate Ketch not playing fair. Lady B still has to get her comeupance for what she did to Sam. Sleepy time Sam- he took a bruising this episode. How the hell did Dean get his gun when he was under that spell? Its #Supernatural!

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HEYYYY DEBB!!! Welcome to the board! 😘

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It was ok I guess. If Mary was written better from the start of the season her message to Dean would have actually meant something , but at this point ?. I still like the twins and I wonder where there story line is headed(please no spin-off ).

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Goddammit! I wrote a review and it got lost. Xfinity wifi keeps trying to muscle in on my router.

Likes
The twins. I was pissed when Alicia got gutted. I'm not sure how I feel about Max resurrecting her. Will she really be herself? And does this mean Max sold his soul?
I begrudgingly liked Mary in this episode. But did she really think that after confessing to Ketch about finding Mick, being found in the Hunter hit room, and calling him a psycho, that he was just going to let her go?? BTW, I'm going to have to rewatch and pause on the Hunter screens. I love that detailed shit.
Dean got to shoot that arrogant witch.

Dislikes
Toni and her fucking notebook. (Actually HATE, not just dislike)
Another Winchester torture scene? Really?!?
Tasha getting killed. Good Witch/Hunter. Poor Max.

ETA- 8/10

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We are not supposed to like Toni B are we? I've been waiting all season for her to get Winchestered. Love that possibility. I still try to believe that Mary has been written in a way where we are ambivalent towards her both in her mothering skills and her decision to go with the BMOL so that the viewer is taken along her journey and that by the finale she is redeemed. The dialogue about children seeing parents as flawed when the children become adults speaks volumes about Dean's POV, if the writers stay the course. Dean talking about being numb and then it is going to hurt when witch/hunter loses his family haunts me. Yes, Dean lost his Dad and Sam many times and Bobby and Charlie and in some fashion Lisa and Ben, but he is different now. And yet he still yearns for Mary's involvement in his life to heal that emotional void. Sometimes there is foreshadow that is obvious as in the torture of the shifter in Mary's form, and then there are misleading foreshadows planted that are dead ends. Dean seems to be in reflective mode-hand to chin in a thinker's pose, admitting he is wonky with stuff on the voice mail. Sam seems to be action packed in being the one to go to the restaurant, to get the whooping, and he is physically spent whereas Dean is emotionally spent. Makes sense. Dean actually had his mother as a child so he knows what he is missing. Not so much Sam. Liked that Sam told Dean to go down the stairs into the shed first.

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Honestly, the best part was the way Dean gripped that wine glass. It was so.... Dean. And the red murder shirt is back. 😝

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7.5/10

Dean is trying to convince himself and Sam that Cas didn't choose to do what he did at the end of the last episode, i.e. the baby made Cas do it. Sam doesn't seem to think so, but he doesn't want to say that. The closest he comes is saying that to find Cas they need to think like Cas, as in it's still Cas, and Dean asks how, because he's convinced Cas isn't in the driver's seat. Sam decides to drop it and focuses on the Colt. The Colt is Dean's. He said it in the last episode, and it's always been a weapon associated with Dean. It's broken. If we take it at face value, Dean should be the one to fix it, but he asks Sam if he can. As a symbol, does that mean Sam's unsure if he can fix the latest betrayal Dean has suffered?

Not really sure what one of Mary's phones is doing in the bunker. She hasn't really been there enough to leave one behind.

I'm getting really tired of people quoting or misquoting Dean's most notable lines back at him. Stop trying to tell me that this is the same show with all these throw backs to the early years. I can see through them, and Dean said them way better the first time around.

I really liked Dean's message to Mary. I've been saying that he's been more and more isolated from his family this season even though he's standing right next to them, and here he is alone, saying that what's going on with Cas has got him spun out, and he's looking for a life line. It's one, I think he's been looking for all season.

So, uh, shifters changing without shedding their skin is back. I thought Ask Jeeves fixed that after Bloodlines screwed it up.

Sam still thinks of himself as the outsider in his family? I thought we were past this. This scene is strange for a couple of reasons. One, based on the phone call, I thought they were setting up Alicia as Dean's mirror and Max as Sam's, because Max thought Tasha was fine, but Alicia wants to check it out just in case. That's the way it was in the pilot. In person, we get the reverse, that Alicia is Sam's mirror and Max is Dean's. Two, why is brought up at all? I think it's here to reinforce that by going along with the BMoL, Sam is done hunting the way Dean and John did. I think it was also brought up in The Memory Remains when the brother working with Moloch said that he was done following his brother's plan.

I have no idea why it took this long for Mary to figure out what was really going on with Mick being dead and the BMoL in general, but she finally did . . . I guess she couldn't exactly deny seeing the hunter recon room when she was caught standing in it, and even though I was thinking, 'Shut up,' when Mary asked about Mick's body, I did think the exchange between Ketch and Mary about the werewolf attack was kind of funny.

Then I went straight back to thinking, 'Shut up, and play nice until you can get out of there,' when Ketch gave her a choice. Why didn't she make sure he was knocked out before she left? Or search his pockets while she had the chance to search for key cards or find a way to take his prints for the scanners? Or weapons? If she had, it would've helped her find the taser and a means out of there through doors that could potentially lock her inside the base. Stupid for plot reasons. I don't think I've liked Ketch more than I did in this episode. He was funny, and he literally beat Mary with one arm essentially tied behind his back after she broke it. I also liked Mary for a change during their fight scene.

Another person that suffered for stupid plot reasons was Alicia. You're told that's not your mother. You see her convulsing, turn your back, and all of a sudden she's standing there behind you, and you say, "Mom!" happily, like you're glad she's okay, and instead of backing away from her, go towards her? Poor Max.

Since I didn't mention it yet, I find Mary saying she misses Sam and Dean annoying. What does she miss exactly? It's not like she knows them. Just leave it at, 'I'm sorry I haven't been in there for you the way I should have been, but I need to finish this,' and leave out the rest.

Not really sure why Sam wouldn't wake up. Is it something or nothing? I saw Sam being an active part of the promo for next week, so I'm guessing that Toni hasn't put some kind of a whammy on him from long distance, but maybe she did.

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My favorite part was Mary and Ketch beating each other up. I thought that was a perfect metaphor for what the audience would love to do with Mary.

The scene that bothered me the most was Sam Dean and Max in the cellar having a "moment" while they knew that Alicia was upstairs with Not-mom. I kept screaming run, sister in danger, run dammit.

So why is Mary being tortured (what is with the torture theme this season)? What could she possibly know? She hasn't been on earth for 33 years and there isn't anything in John's journal that would tell them anything. Other than her deal with Azazel and how it affected the brothers I can't see her being very useful.

I know there is brother angst coming and we are supposed to feel for their mother but at this point she is getting what she deserves. Now she can experience the "interrogation" techniques that she and Sam were on board with and I suppose is going to be the fate of other American Hunters.

Yes why does Mary all of a sudden want to be with her sons? She needed to finish up "here" first before she could spend time with them (and why was her phone at the Bunker). Finish up what? Ridding the world of monsters? Won't that take awhile?

Did Sam and Dean need to be in this episode? Nothing they did (other than finding mom in the cellar) had any affect on the outcome of events. Alicia still died, Max still put on the ring and they didn't know anything about Mary until the closing moments.

Why did the camera linger on Sam sleeping in the Impala? Maybe to give Jared a little extra screen time since he was at home with Gen and just born baby Odette? It seemed like an editing choice more than we were supposed to think there was something wrong. But I guess we'll see.

Dean is being told by Not-mom that mom's are just people. Was that supposed to be a teachable moment for Dean or reminder to the audience that Dean had already been told that like 12 episodes ago.

It wasn't the worst episode of the season but it was another brother filler and next week looks like it is about Mary/Toni and the at risk allies of the brothers. Good luck Eileen. When does the season start bringing the brothers up to speed? We have 3 episodes left.

Honestly the promo for Riverdale looked more interesting than anything we got in last nights episode.

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The scene that bothered me the most was Sam Dean and Max in the cellar having a "moment" while they knew that Alicia was upstairs with Not-mom. I kept screaming run, sister in danger, run dammit.[/quote]

Excellent point. I thought the same thing!

[quote]Now she can experience the "interrogation" techniques that she and Sam were on board with and I suppose is going to be the fate of other American Hunters.[/quote]

That's definitely something that really annoyed me about The Raid. Sam had already been through what that guy was going to go through, so he should've felt more empathy there, and Mary? She had to know what they were going to do too, but now I guess she'll really 'know,' and while I was glad that what she saw Ketch do to the shifter was enough for her to really start questioning things, I was also a little like, 'And you don't know that irradiating vampires is a torturous way to kill them?'

[quote]Finish up what? Ridding the world of monsters? Won't that take awhile?[/quote]

This made me laugh.

[quote]Did Sam and Dean need to be in this episode? Nothing they did (other than finding mom in the cellar) had any affect on the outcome of events. Alicia still died, Max still put on the ring and they didn't know anything about Mary until the closing moments.[/quote]

Good point. I would say that Dean killing the witch before she could voluntarily hand over her power kept her from getting off scot-free the way she would've been had Max gotten the ring first.

[quote]Dean is being told by Not-mom that mom's are just people. Was that supposed to be a teachable moment for Dean or reminder to the audience that Dean had already been told that like 12 episodes ago.


To me, it seemed more like Dean's face was saying that she was preaching to the choir. It just affirmed something he already knew.

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