If I were Juno's son (spoilers, perhaps)...
I wouldn't put up with Vanessa. In fact, I wouldn't even regard her as a mother. She'd be nothing but a glorified babysitter to me.
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shareBecause she's a fake.
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Yeah well she's also the only mom you've ever had or ever will have. You keep calling this child "Juno's son," but he's not. He is Vanessa's son. Juno even says "he was always hers..." He has never met Juno, he will never meet Juno, and he will fall in love with his Mama like all babies do. She isn't fake, she is nervous and trying to do things the right way without help or guidance. The point of the shot near the end, of Vanessa in the chair with the baby and Juno's crumpled note framed on the wall was to show her transition from too concerned with everything being neat and perfect and "the right way," to realizing that a full and wonderful life is often crumpled and not what you expected. That scene should tell you that Vanessa will one day play in mud puddles and catch tadpoles and help him make the PeeWee football team, that they're going to be all right.
Maybe when you grow up, you'll get it.
I call BS. I doubt things will be that rose-colored. At best, he'd have serious mommy issues that would make Hitchcock or Freud proud. He might even become a serial killer.
shareChill Marie, he IS Juno's son too and to say otherwise is bull, and it's even more bull to say he'll never meet her when she's THAT close to Vanessa's house. You really think Vanessa would never tell him and he'd never want to meet her? Again, bull.
shareWho the hell is Marie? No, I don't believe he will meet Juno. Juno made it very clear at their first meeting-she wants a closed adoption. No pictures, no updates, nothing. Old school, like Moses in the reeds. I think Vanessa would have too much respect for Juno, considering the gift Juno gave her, to go against her wishes to move on from this.
shareJuno also made it "clear" that she'd love to just hand him over and things would go exactly back to the way they were, but that didn't happen, did it? She cried and mourned naturally after she had him, and once the kid turns 18 there's no reason why he and Juno wouldn't want to meet each other eventually.
shareShe cried, but that doesn't mean she'll want to see him in 18 years. She did go back to her life and moved on. She'll likely think about him, but there is nothing to suggest she wants anything to do with him. Even while she‘s pregnant she has no interest in him. She doesn't want him. There are plenty of cues written into the script to tell the viewer she'll never meet him, and nothing to remotely suggest she someday will.
shareThere was nothing to suggest she would NOT want to see him, or more importantly that he wouldn't want to see her one day and not even a remote clue WHAT exactly they'd do or wouldn't do many years from then. For cripe's sake, she was 16 and thought of him at first as an abstract idea more than anything, but we see her soften in many ways down the line and 18 yrs makes a big difference.
shareSeriously? There is everything to suggest she would not want to see him, like what she says and her actions. Maybe he will want to see her. Maybe Juno will turn 18 and move away so Bren can have Weimaraners. Maybe Vanessa will get remarried to a single dad and relocate to Hawaii. Maybe the kid will join the Army and get killed in a war. Anything is possible. But if we are going strictly by what the movie laid ground for, the child will never know any mom but Vanessa so there is no reason for OP to suggest that he'd never accept her as his mom. And calling him Juno's son is silly. He is more Vanessa's son than Juno's. DNA is the least of what makes a person a parent.
shareYeah, seriously; all of Juno's actions dismissing the kid are significant of her immaturity at the time, all of which are undermined as the film goes on and she sees the ultrasound, watches Vanessa's face as he moves and is vigilant in making sure he'll have a good life. Getting to meet her doesn't mean living with her as another mom. No, it's not remotely silly to call him Juno's, which he was too. Mothers brave enough to have and give up their kids should always be honored with the title of their first mothers.
shareI don't think we're talking on the same points anymore. I am supporting my argument against OP's original post. I'm not entirely sure how we ended up here. OP was calling the child Juno's son because he doesn't like Vanessa. Of course birth mothers are still mothers, but for the sake of my discussion with OP, the child is more Vanessa's son than Juno's. And there is no reason to believe Vanessa will screw him up for life.
shareI agree with all your points there, just disagree on whether Juno would ever, or never, wish to see him.
shareI honestly think that it could go either way. I agree that they showed the emotional growth of Juno for a reason, and that may be it, but I also feel like they tried to show her closing that chapter of her life and moving on with not wanting to see him after he was born and ending the movie with Bleeker, playing guitar, with no mention of the child. So I guess what I think is this-They ended the movie with 17 year old Juno having no desire to see or hear from or know about the boy ever again. There is every possibility in the world that the maturing we saw over that year will shape her into an adult Juno that is open to knowing the boy. We all know decisions we made at 17 have little to no bearing on our lives at 37 or 27.
The only reason I said he'll never meet Juno to the original poster was to make the point that there is less than zero number of reasons for the boy to reject Vanessa, as he doesn't have a "standby" mother to compare her to or reject her for. I think it's safe to say that for at least his childhood and early teenage years, Juno is not part of that equation. She doesn't influence them in any manner, so it's silly to keep calling him
Juno's son and suggesting he'd never accept Vanessa as his mother. He doesn't have other options.
Does that make more sense? Were we debating this whole time over two different scenarios? That's so ridiculous. Lol
He has no other option? I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if I were in the shoes of the kid, I would not regard her as a mother. She's just a well-to-do babysitter or landlady. But wait... My biological mother didn't want me! So I guess I'll just have to put up with the harpy, don't I?
shareSorry I didn't reply sooner, but yep, we were arguing over a misunderstanding :P Oh well, glad we cleared that up.
shareParents learn just as much from their kids as kids do from their parents. Unfortunately you seem to have all this angst and contempt for helicopter moms that is so pervasive you project it on not only a mom that may or may not become a helicopter mom, but one that isn't even real. Frankly, it's more than slightly creepy. I'm afraid YOU may end up the one burying the bodies in your crawl space, Pogo. So I'm going to wish you well and sign out before the creepiness gets on me.
shareSo you're saying anybody who doesn't like Vanessa = Ted Bundy? Pro-adoption extremism, much?
shareTed Bundy didn't bury bodies in a crawlspace, nor was he ever called Pogo. And no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you are a bit creepy in your judgement of a person that isn't real. And what is "pro-adoption extremism?" That isn't even a thing. Seriously.
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