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Felt bad for Cardinal Wolsey... (spoilers)


Laugh at me if you must. I know the guy was rotten and ruthless, but watching him try to appease that utter man-baby Henry, I couldn't help but feel bad for him when he finally got boxed into a corner and he killed himself, historical accuracy be damned. He was also funny at times, and played brilliantly by Sam Neil. I actually got a little emotional when it happened. Seriously, I shocked myself at how much it affected me. Didn't expect it at all. I guess it's the fact that he was being mocked while he was praying and contemplating, then achieving suicide. What a horrible way to go.

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I felt bad, too.

Even more so when I decided to read up on the real Wolsey -- a financial genius and all around decent man.

Oh well. The Cardinal's death scene has some of the most exquisite music in the entire series.

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Well, if it makes you feel any better, he didn't really commit suicide, and he wasn't that decent as churchmen go. He was more interested in accumulating power and wealth than in spiritual matters, and he totally ignored his vow of chastity. He was Henry's toady and deserved mockery.

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Since most cardinals had multiple mistresses and Wosley lived, basically, in a common law marriage with Joan for a number of years without any other sexual misconducts, then proceeded to take excellent financial care of his two illegitimate children, by my standards, for the time, he was indeed decent. ;)

Like many men of his time, his ambitions led him to the church because there was no other way for a commoner to receive an extensive education -- this is how so many cardinals wound up "politicians" instead of theologians; Margaret Beaufort's desire to educate the common man (later a cause of Martin Luther, Erasmus, and others) had not yet come into effect, so the only establishment that could afford to educate the poor was indeed... the Church. So being a smart, leadership-oriented man, Wolsey joined the Church, spent quite awhile delaying his ordination (no doubt out of reluctance), and then proceeded to rapidly rise through the ranks based on his skills as a diplomat, who could handle anything life threw at him.

I read a tremendous biography about him, which impressed me with his intellect, his financial prowess, his intelligent handling of diplomatic relations, etc., and it became very apparent to me why, after Henry lost him and executed Cromwell, England fell into a financial pit -- Wolsey, Cromwell, and Katharine of Aragon all stabilized a foolish, knee-jerk, narcissistic monarch.

I have a great deal of respect for Wolsey now, even if he was, not by his own desire, pitted against Katharine of Aragon in an epic battle that took them both down.

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Unfortunately when you fly too close to the sun, you get burned. No one in Henry's court was safe. They were interchangeable to him (6 wives - ahem) and Cardinal Woolsey's ambitions marked the death of him. But yes, Sam Neill was amazing in this role.

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