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Australians (court ruling) - DON'T HAND THEM A CENT!


If you're not aware, the crew behind Dallas Buyers Club just won a court ruling stating that people who illegally downloaded the film - their IP and personal details are now being handed over to the film crew

There were about 5000 people

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-07/dallas-buyers-club-isps-must-hand-over-customer-details/6375358

If you're one of the people who will be getting a letter soon - THROW IT AWAY AND IGNORE IT.

Lawyers will usually send 3-4 letters of warning before taking it to court and each letter will cost them a few hundred in fees. So if they are send 3 letters at $150 a pop, that's just about $2mil in legal fee and then if they take you to court they'll be paying a lawyer $300hr to appear in court - when you're court hearing comes up, just call in sick on the day so they'll have to reschedule

If everyone does this, they be sent broke


And NO, I haven't watched the film or d/l it.

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I am Australian. The court case result was the first I had heard of this flick. Does not seem the kind of film I would watch anyway.

Nothing to do with sexuality, just seems it would be too depressing.

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yeah i just heard on abc news 24 this morning about this court ruling. what the media conveniently left out was that while they had a small win they haven't won the alleged war yet. lawyers are one of the lowest people on the face of this planet, id almost put them in the same category as drug cartels. lawyers and courts are disgusting people.

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I still don't know how you could possible go after an individuals, They have an IP address that's it. Multiple people can be using that, shared houses, families, friends visiting, neighbors stealing wi-fi. I know ten year olds that know how to torrent. Honestly though, the movie is by both accounts award winning and financial success, why be jerks about it and go after a handful of people?
Distribution companies are still making a bucket load of money, If you look at the numbers of the last 20 years while ticket sales are still down Revenue is actually up. I actually think torrenting is actually helping the industry as a form a free publicity.

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A film about a man who sidestepped the government to give people free access to something they needed is being used as a test case for people assisting people to get stuff they want for free. The irony.

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I would never pay to see this movie. They're bottom-feeding scum for threatening internet customers regarding unproven civil legal issues. I've rated it as low as possible on Netflix also.

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Oh, boo hoo, to all of you.

Why should you be allowed to "steal" content? Why not learn some damn patience and wait for things, rather than seeing them "when you want".

This is what we get from a "spoiled" society. Parents don't know how to say "No!" to their children, or teach them some respect, so they grow up to be people who think that they can take what they like, when they like.

It is amazing how many of you are saying you wouldn't watch the movie, yet condemn this. Okay then, if you are doing nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, what are you worried about then?

Why not just buy the DVD? DVD's are usually no more than $20-30. That's not that much. But even spending one cent is too much to ask the self-entitled who want everything now for free.

People create and make movies and TV shows. Yet slugs who haven't put in any of the work want to take the bread out of the mouths of these creative people.

Personally, I would like a company to go further, and embed a virus in any footage uploading online, and anyone who uses torrents downloads a massive virus instead. It's a bit hard to watch shows online when your computer is infected by a virus. This might teach a lesson that not everything is yours, and if you want something in life, you have to pay for it.

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^ The DVD was not available in Australia until much later and it had a very limited cinema release. People pirate because there's no other way to watch it.

It's a pretty simple problem to fix really. Offer consumers a way to pay for the film in a timely manner and people will pay. Why should people in other countries wait 6 or more months to see something the rest of the world has seen?

You need to see the bigger picture instead of pointing the finger and saying people want things for free, that's not the case at all.

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Distribution is a massive problem in Australia. We literately only had access to netflix a week ago. Technically your right, it is stealing. However when I was a student and had no money, I borrowed DVDs, Copied hard drives and yes illegally downloaded as well. I discovered a wealth of movies I had never heard of and discovered an array of gems that I never would have never seen, had I stuck to the legal model of distribution. Now that I have a career and a little bit more of an income. I have a huge DVD and Blu Ray collection of special editions and movies I discovered during my student days. Instead of looking at torrenting as a loss, you could look at it as potential new fans and customers.

What I think is so crazy is the fact that in today's modern age of digital access to content. I have to pay for a VPN service so I can actually pay and watch content the same as everyone else in the world. It's that or wait six months for a limited release or illegally download.

I know it's wrong, but given the options surely it shouldn't come to a surprise

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Says the self-righteous smug who's never "stolen" a thing in his life, eh?

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There are two reasons why you've never downloaded a movie. You're either too stupid to figure out how to or too much of a pu$$y and terrified that the authorities would get to you. Either of those is the reason why you will never be successful in life; you can't even capitalize on something that is free.

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Or there is a third reason I won't download movies. Because, unlike you, I have morals, and I believe that stealing is wrong.

Obviously, you have no conscience, so the thought of taking something you haven't earned or paid for is second nature to you.

I would rather be stupid or a pussy than be a thief.

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Oh, boo hoo, to all of you.

Why should you be allowed to "steal" content? Why not learn some damn patience and wait for things, rather than seeing them "when you want".

This is what we get from a "spoiled" society. Parents don't know how to say "No!" to their children, or teach them some respect, so they grow up to be people who think that they can take what they like, when they like.

It is amazing how many of you are saying you wouldn't watch the movie, yet condemn this. Okay then, if you are doing nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, what are you worried about then?

Why not just buy the DVD? DVD's are usually no more than $20-30. That's not that much. But even spending one cent is too much to ask the self-entitled who want everything now for free.

People create and make movies and TV shows. Yet slugs who haven't put in any of the work want to take the bread out of the mouths of these creative people.

Personally, I would like a company to go further, and embed a virus in any footage uploading online, and anyone who uses torrents downloads a massive virus instead. It's a bit hard to watch shows online when your computer is infected by a virus. This might teach a lesson that not everything is yours, and if you want something in life, you have to pay for it.



I say boo hoo to the multi billion dollar distribution companies who thought charging 40 bucks for a piece of plastic back in the 80s was going to be a long range and feasible business model. And the ridiculous 'region coding' of discs even now which creates an impossible for people who want to legitimately purchase their goods. And don't get me started on the nosedive that housekeeping standards in cinemas have taken in recent years.

Personally, I have no problem holding an industry which has such bold faced contempt for their customers and clients in equally scathing contempt. Do some research on how the income is distributed, and you'll realise you are really taking precious little 'bread from the artists mouths'.

Robert Altman
1925-2006
RIP

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But do you know who you are stealing from as well?

The shopkeeper, who sells TV series on DVDs, since people can just upload and record their favourite show, instead of buying the series on disk.

The cinema usher, who gets fired because the cinema has had to cut costs, because people get the new movies online, rather than watch them in a cinema.

The little guy ALWAYS suffers. It is set up that way. You don't hurt the big distributors. They have way too much money. No, instead it is the retailers who suffer and go out of business. You are taking food out of their mouths, and it isn't their decision whether Sony or Universal stuff around with programs. They are just trying to make a living.

You're not hurting the big guys. You are just hurting other little guys.

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Your previous post was about the hurt this caused the 'creative' people, not the little guy.

My argument is that this mostly hurts the useless middle men whose jobs have been created simply because of all the excessive merchandising revenue that DVDs and inflated ticket prices have created. Cinemas long ago started implementing cost cutting techniques, including reduced staffing, in order to make the enterprise more cost effective. As a business its your choice if you want to do this, but I think it's a bit rich to lay a drop in attendance rates for a lesser product at the feet of the 'scourge' of piracy.

Don't get me wrong, the ethical and moral argument for illegal downloading is murky at best, but it's difficult for me to have much sympathy for an industry whose business model is based around greed and avarice finding themselves being undone by greed and avarice.

The industry should take this as a lesson to establish good will with its consumers, rather than taking a litigistic approach, and realise that the unsustainable $40m per movie Tom Cruise/Jim Carrey period of the 90s is well and truly over.

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You realise millions (this is a moderate estimate, more like tens or hundreds of millions) of people download movies, music. Should every studio sue every person that ever downloaded their movie? You realise that would be a huge part of the population, in more developed countries with broadband probably close to 1/3 if not half of it (again, a moderate estimate). Of all the people i know that are under 30 or even 40, almost everyone has done it. Will you jail the young population for doing it. Just saying the obvious.

"Cinema is the most beautiful fraud in the world."

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As an Aussie, this debacle is honestly the first I'd even heard of the movie!

When I first heard about lawyers from the US trying to strongarm folks here over copyright, I actually thought 'Dallas Buyer's Club' was some kind of American company like Sam's or Costco that happened to also fund or distribute some movies!

I don't even remember this being in cinemas here or seeing it on DVD. It doesn't seem like my kind of movie (after reading a brief synopsis today) but I wonder if the reason they think Australians pirated it was because (as is often the case), they couldn't see it legally? Or maybe this is a big publicity stunt, since it at least made me look the movie up!

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Seriously I don't understand why the movie corporations would be targeting those who downloaded DBC on torrent websites. It's like they're going after the "little fish" rather than the "big fish" simply because it's easier to bully and threaten them with fines and forfeiture. Shouldn't they be targeting torrent websites and shutting them down rather than hunting its users?

And how is downloading a film (or song) online any different to borrowing a DVD (or CD) from the library (or a friend) and burning a copy to watch (or listen to) later on? You're not selling it (or hiring it out) for profit so what's wrong with this scenario?! IMHO it's not immoral otherwise everyone who has ever downloaded a song, movie, book, magazine, etc. online for free are thieves and thus this legalistic notion would make no-good criminals of all of us! Seriously, just because something is "illegal" doesn't make it "immoral." From what I understand the "crime" wasn't even so much downloading DBC as it was "seeding" it (or distributing it) to others. However, this is beyond the control of torrent users who have no choice in the matter since this is how torrent sites are run and another reason why IMHO the film crew are chasing the wrong end of the stick. Yet, somehow the downloader is responsible for thousands or millions of others obtaining "illegal" copies of DBC from his/her download?! Why should s/he be punished when s/he's no more the richer?!

And who even leaked DBC online?! Didn't those behind "The Interview" leak their film online as a protest against the North Korean bully who sought to prevent others from seeing it?! So it's "legal" to use torrents for one, but "illegal" for the other?! And if it was leaked by those associated with the film itself isn't that a kind of "entrapment" just so they can engage in "speculative invoicing"?!

Honestly, I think proportional punishment would be for the downloader to simply pay the $15 or $30 these films are worth, not the thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars these greedy corporations want to steal from those who downloaded and/or "seeded" the film or much worse be thrown into prison to be victimized a thousand times more than the "crime" they allegedly committed. Truly, two wrongs never make a right and this whole case is making me wonder who the REAL pirates are in our society who hide behind the "law" for their own twisted gain to extort the innocents for all they're worth! Believe you me their day of reckoning is comin' and that right soon...

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...And now this: DBC studio is being sued for copyright infringement over the film "Colossal" (starring Anne Hathaway) and its similarities to "Godzilla."

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/in-ironic-twist-dallas-buyers-club-studio-being-su/eb761e4c-d09e-4566-b510-5f968294ef69.htm

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/anne-hathaway-lizard-film-under-796883

The lawsuit actually went as far as stating the irony of the studio infringing someone else's copyright:

“That anyone would engage in such blatant infringement of another’s intellectual property is wrong enough,” the lawsuit stated. “That defendants, who are known for zealously protecting their own copyrights, would do so is outrageous in the extreme.”


Ahhh! Hypocrisy at its finest! Irony at its best! Karma sure can be a bitch! :-p

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That's actually awesome.

I wouldn't watch this movie out of principal now anyway even if I wanted to, but that lawsuit quote is just beautifully on-point.

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