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Do you think the show got worse as it went on?


I don't. Season 6 was almost certainly the weakest season, but it was still very good, and seasons 4, 5 and 7 were really strong in my opinion. Maybe even better than the earlier seasons.

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I think seasons 6 and 7 were easily the weakest seasons, although both had incredibly strong moments and episodes (particularly season 7). The show remained great to the end, but it got a little weaker in the home stretch. Seasons 4 and 5 are among the strongest seasons, though (4 is my favorite).

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I agree that Seasons 4 and 5 are the strongest, with 5 being my favorite. I think Season 7 would have been among the weaker seasons if it weren't for the final 4 episodes, which were all among the best episodes the show ever did.

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It was great till season 5, which then became The Megan Show, then the stories became more agitated and shorter. It would've been a perfect ending if it stopped at season 7a.

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I don't think the show got any weaker as it went on, but did want to respond to the notion that Megan's presence was a drag on the show, as is strongly implied above.

I disagree. To be clear if one can put one's awareness of what later occurs aside, and focus at the point that she went from her introduction to Don's proposal to her, I was NOT rooting for her, and both at the time and overall felt Faye would have been the better choice.

But... that's a different question than what was "good" for the narrative arc of the show. In that respect the writers made the right choice in including her and developing the narrative that ensued. It's in fact impossible to imagine the show without the effect Megan had being present. She was part of so much that happened, but also in the character development of several others, not just Don. She for example was a factor in showing the complexity of Don's relationship with his children, served as a comparator to Betty in her second marriage and in terms of how Don and Betty's relationship and views and feelings for and about each other proceeded in their post-divorce period. Those are just examples.

I will also repeat that while I like most here found her character as written to be annoying, I thought Jessica Pare did a very good job in portraying the character as written and as sought through direction of her. So, no I don't find the seasons and episodes with Megan in them to be lesser than the rest of the show.

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she must have sung him that song at an audition..or maybe on his birthday.

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I actually liked it, I was not sure why Don was so fkd up by it.

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I never understood Weiner's fixation on the actress/character.


Me either. The character and the actress who played her were both so obviously sub-par from the rest of the cast, she stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb. The only thing that made any sense to me was Weiner deliberately selected a bad actress to play the part of a bad actress, but that seems so mean-spirited, and I don't have any reason to believe he is that.

So ultimately I have no idea why she was written as such a superficial and uninteresting character, played by such an untalented and awkward actress.

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Do you think the show got worse as it went on?

Are you asking if some people only like the beginnings of things?

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Are you asking if some people only like the beginnings of things?


Great reply. And a very interesting question.




"I'm not foul, Mr. Carson. I'm not like you, but I'm not foul."

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I didn't like season 6 when CGC and SCDP "merged". I thought this was a weak way to bring Peggy back and add more characters to the storyline. In addition to more regular characters this merger added California as another base of operations --- and of course by season 7, Megan had moved out there.

Season 6 had the Sylvia storyline which was yukky.

It seems like a show is nearing the end of it's run when more characters and new locations are added.

Seasons 6 and 7 were my least favorite --- although as other posters have said there were good episodes in those seasons.

When I'm watching MM on Netflix, I rarely watch seasons 6 and 7.

Season 4 is my favorite right now, followed by 2, 1, 3, and 5.



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California (Los Angeles, really) was an obsession with the show from Season 1, when Nixon wins California but loses the election.

In Season 2, Don blows off the aerospace conference in L.A. and goes off with Joy, then visits Anna in San Pedro.

When his absence is finally noticed in New York, Paul guesses that Don is working on opening an office of "Sterling Cooper West" in Los Angeles. This finally becomes reality several seasons later.

In the early sixties, California was viewed in the rest of the country as the Golden State of the future. As it turned out to be.

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California (Los Angeles, really) was an obsession with the show from Season 1, when Nixon wins California but loses the election.

Yeah -- you are right -- California was pretty constant throughout the whole show. I remember Don pitching an idea to someone using California as an example -- something like "the buildings are new and the people are filled with hope".

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Yeah --he said that to Stan in Season 6 to dissuade him from wanting to go.

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The first 3 seasons were a snooze fest, which is what most new viewers think who don't have time for subtlety and early crafting of character development. These seasons are the base from which the characters will act and react till decade's end.

Then season 4 comes on strong with a new office and people assuming new power - the partners calling the shots, Peggy becoming a manager, Betty now gone from Don and remarried. It's the midpoint (1965!)between boredom and craziness.

Season 5 onward explores the emotional unraveling - Don on marriage and divorce #2, firing, and search for himself, Megan's true personality being revealed, the office merging and takeover, and the final outcome of everyone.

So it depends on which kind of person you are: conservative, middle of the road or liberal, that dictates which part of the series (and decade) you like best.

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I'm just now getting into this on netflix streaming (late to the party!)

I've only watched the first three seasons, which I love. However, I would say that Season 1 is *slightly* better than season 2, which in turn is slightly better than season 3.

Partly that's because Season 1 flawlessly introduces so many characters, to the point where every moment feels significant. They end up with so many characters that by Season 3, even major players like Joan and Roger are sidelined for long periods.

Season 3 is the least plot driven of the first three. It begins and ends with major corporate shakeups, but everything in the middle is driven more by mood and shading. We're exploring characters we already know, and the foundation wasn't there to do that yet in Season 2.

I think there are a few things holding back Season 3. One is that Don's impending divorce feels awfully close to a foregone conclusion. The writing is incredibly sharp in Mad Men, but it surprised me that a whole season is spent watching Don and Betty in an uneasy truce brought on by her third pregnancy. It's one of the very few threads in the show that feel cliche to me. And while we're waiting for Don and Betty's relationship to fail, we're also waiting for the Kennedy assassination.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of interesting material in season 3, but the show feels almost a little stifled, like it can't move on until those two bombs finally explode. Curious to see how Season 4 stacks up.

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I'm glad you're enjoying the show.

However, I'd definitely rate S3 much, much higher than it appears that you are. S3 was nothing short of fantastic and S4 gets even better, IMO.

I don't actually think there is a dip in quality at all throughout the 7 seasons of MM, it all really just depends on how the various storylines and characters resonate with you. With respect to S3, I thought Don and Betty's blow up and eventual divorce was nothing short of tense and riveting -- the episode where Betty confronts Don about his identity was a series high.

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I agree that season 7 was by far the weakest season, but season 6 is my favorite. The Crash is my favorite episode of Mad Men. Love, love, love season 6.

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season 7 came back strong after a weak 6. basically, the show SHOULD HAVE gravitated AWAY from don's insanely irritating ex - wife, wayyyy too much time was spent on her, especially after he moved out. that would have improved things a lot.

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in response to the op's question-yes, the show went downhill as it went on. the first season of mad men is one of the greatest first seasons any show could ever want to have. season two is right up there as well. how the show ended was really unforgivable to me. especially Don's final revelation.

his character was supposed to be doomed. from the moment we met him he was living on borrowed time..among other borrowed things. how they could finally let him make peace with himself-at a hippie commune, no less-and dream up the famous coca-cola ad was particularly galling. Don is the character falling from the building during the show's animated title sequence. i realize that sequence is also emblematic of a while way of life coming to an abrupt end but shouldn't Don have finally gotten his comeuppance? Don could've been one of the most memorable characters in the history of television if he had ended the show's run broken and alone somewhere, which is what he knew he deserved. instead he got a happy ending. the happiest of endings.. i never felt like that was what this character was all about..as opposed to someone like peggy who was twice the human being Don could ever be and who fought for and earned everything she got including her own happy ending, good for her..

there are still things to like in every season. some great characters, roger sterling especially, but as a whole i never thought it lived up to the promise of those first two years.

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I raised the proposition that he --IS-- dead...

But surprisingly to me, only got one response, and that one of scorn.

He gazes out over the sea absently, and near and across a cliff precipice.
What is the point to that?
Next he is seen in lotus position chanting Omm with the hippy-flakes...whilst smirking/grinning stupidly if contentedly..
as you say, his apparent death in prospect-if that figure is necessarily meaning to be Don himself, was always portrayed as through slo-mo falling...even if that one is from a building top and in a concrete jungle.

All of the ominous-sounding farewell it's all over phone calls to Peg etc..
And then he just settles for Hippy-dippying it?

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I raised the proposition that he --IS-- dead...

But surprisingly to me, only got one response, and that one of scorn.


Because quite obviously, he isn't dead.

All of the ominous-sounding farewell it's all over phone calls to Peg etc..
And then he just settles for Hippy-dippying it?


Let me guess, you binge-watched it. This is far from your typical TV show. You have to pay close attention to everything, right from the beginning. Multiple viewings are required, because it's so rich in nuance it's impossible to grasp it all in one viewing.

If what you ended up with was thinking Don just settled for becoming a hippie, you missed the point of the show entirely.

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f what you ended up with was thinking Don just settled for becoming a hippie, you missed the point of the show entirely.


no, as explained, my first choice, was that he was dead.
That he went off the cliff.

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no, as explained, my first choice, was that he was dead.
That he went off the cliff.


Are these the only two possible explanations you can think of, he's either dead or a hippie? Cause neither one is what actually happened.

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I think 4 and 5 were the best, especially 5, but 6 and 7 were by no means letdowns.

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