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Roger, not so loveable


Like most people on this board, I've enjoyed the character of Roger, especially his witticisms. However, IRL, people like Roger can cause a lot of heartache. The episode that had me shaking my head was the one where Sally went to the awards ceremony and sat next to Roger who spent the evening charming her. Then he and Marie disappeared. Later, Sally is looking for the ladies' room, opens a door, and comes across Roger being "serviced" by Marie. The look on Sally's face was heart breaking. Fine bit of acting my Shipka.

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I know --- that was so sweet of Roger --- making Sally feel important and grown-up during that dinner. She actually thought she was his date, in a very innocent way. Then to have that nice feeling shattered by seeing Roger and Marie....my heart went out to Sally. Yes, Shipka was excellent in that episode!

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There's a great scene in the season 6 premiere where he acknowledges this. He tells Mona that all he saw at his mother's funeral was a room full of women that he's disappointed (indicating his own insecurities about the crappy way he treats people). Mona reassures him by saying, "Roger Sterling, no matter what you do, everyone loves you."

Roger IS so lovable that he can get away with being a terrible human being. Even when people realize how self-centered and mean he is, they still can't help enjoying his company. (Peggy seems to be one of the only people immune to this, which makes her scenes with him hysterically funny).

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(Peggy seems to be one of the only people immune to this, which makes her scenes with him hysterically funny).


Now that you mention it, yes! I can only recall two real scenes with Peggy and Roger, and both of them were hilarious: when he tried to get her to do extra work for him because he was in a bind and she cleaned out his wallet; and towards the end when they were the last people at SCP.

In hindsight, I wish they'd given Peggy and Roger a few more scenes.

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It all begun back in season 1. In Red in the Face, when Roger comes to ask Don to join him for a drink:

Roger: What are you doing tonight?
Peggy: Working and going home.
Roger: I'll let you enjoy that one honey but I was talking to Donald here.

The condescending way he said it, and worse, the fact that he made Don lough at her too must have been a bitter blow to her pride.

Then on season 2, there's this exchange in King of the Hill, when Peggy is asking for Freddy's office:

Roger: What do you want?
Peggy: I need to speak with you.
Roger: Honey, I have a 6:30 dinner reservation, and unless you want to pull me there in a rickshaw, I have to get going.
Peggy: Well, um, I'm a copywriter.
Roger: Why, did I call you something else? No.
Peggy: I don't know if you're aware, but I brought in the Popsicle account today. On my own.
Roger: Hey, Ginger, did you hear about this? - I gotta go.
Peggy: Wait. I need my own office. It's hard to do business and be credible when I'm sharing with a Xerox machine. Freddy Rumsen's office has been vacant for some time. I think I should have it.
Roger: It's yours.
Peggy: Really?
Roger: You young women are very aggressive.
Peggy: Oh, I didn't mean to be impolite.
Roger: No, it's cute. There are 30 men out there who didn't have the balls to ask me.

Again, while obliging to her request, it's obvious, particularly to her, he sees her as kind of amusing novelty.

And in season 3, after Roger was vexed by Margaret not wanting him and Jane at her wedding:

Roger: Heading home?
Peggy: Yes.
Roger: Let me ask you something. You're a young girl.
Peggy: Excuse me?
Roger: You're the only one around here who doesn't have that stupid look on her face.
Peggy: What does that mean?
Roger: What would your father have to do for you to not want him at your wedding?
Peggy: My father passed away.
Roger: There you go. You'd do anything.

She's still just a young girl to him, and even his appreciation of her intelligence is expressed as a slighting backhand compliment. Combine all this with the fact that she had to work so hard to get what she had while he's the epitome of being born with a silver spoon in the mouth, so there was never any reason for Peggy to feel anything but contempt to him.

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Uri,

While I can agree Peggy would see Roger as having issues in regard to his attitudes and the way he treated her, it is too extreme to say she had no reason to view him with anything but contempt. After all in your own examples he gave her the better office and in effect said she had more uh, on the ball than most men in the office.

I doubt the first episode you mentioned caused any bitter blow to her pride. She was not that much of a fragile eggshell.

On the third you even acknowledge the element of compliment. So an ambiguous offer of a compliment is due nothing but contempt?

Imo Peggy understands that Roger is working with her while concededly still caught up in the views of the time. A mixed bag, and as a mixed bag it is something that does not provide a basis for the absolute view you propose.

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Contempt? They were great together as the last ones at the SCDP office before the merge. If she felt contempt for him, why would she have stuck around?

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Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.

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It took them 11 years to get there. Ok - maybe contempt is a strong word. But she certainly didn't respect him too much, and for sure didn't find him irresistible. At all.

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The problem is he knows his shortcomings but does nothing about it.

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Don never solved his problems either which is why we have no hint of how Sally, Bobby and Gene turned out, except that Betty decided them being with her brother would be more stable.

Mad Men teaches us that all you need is money, good looks and charm to make it, just like the ad world.

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Mad Men teaches us that all you need is money, good looks and charm to make it, just like the ad world.

...Well, somehow I got the complete opposite message from this show. Seeing how everyone who has money, good looks and charm is actually misserable like you wouldn't believe.

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Definitely. The last woman we see Roger with is Megan's mother...how long do you think that's going to last?

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As I'm re-viewing the series, I find that Roger as played by John Slattery can be super funny and charming, but I do not find him loveable. He seems quite awful, worse than Don, Pete, or almost any of them. His classist attitudes and horrible entitlement as expressed through his treatment of women and anyone poorer than him, which is almost everyone, is hard to watch. His behavior is so decadent. "The rich are different than you and me."

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He improves a bit later on. Not much, but...a little. 

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He's just as bad as Don, in my opinion. But he's my favorite character. Because he's so damn clever and funny, whereas Don is just mopey and depressive. Seriously, how many times did he just shirk his responsibilities and run away to "find himself" or whatever the hell he was doing? They even reference it in the seventh season, when Jim Hobart is going on about how Don disappeared right after they bought SC&P and Roger just goes "He does that."

Wendy? Darling? Light, of my life!

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Yes. That was one of Roger's best lines.

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