I'm trans and I already hate this movie - The Danish Girl (2016) Discussion

[–] JoeMama2016 8 years ago

How can you comment on a movie when you didn't see it?

reply

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] elliest_5 8 years ago

I liked the movie quite a lot, so I think you should give it a chance:

1. No, not at all. I mean, obviously she shares the pain of her significant other when she (Lilly) herself is in pain, but the film doesn't portray her in the way you suggest. I think it's meant to be a transformation in their lives that they both go through and she loves Lilly unconditionally. One thing that happens which you may find upsetting is that, despite being so supportive she occasionally "misses her husband" and she can't let go off the old male identity as easily. But I thought it was not an odd reaction, especially at a time when people had zero education on what gender dysphoria and transitioning really is.

2. I don't know anything about that, but the book on which the movie is based is itself based on the memoir of Lilly herself (called "Man into Woman" and published in 1933).

3. Not really. The surgery happens only in the last part of the movie and [minor spoiler ahead] the characters don't even know this is an option until quite late in the movie. There is not much about how the everyday society reacts to a transgender woman, but you have to consider that most of the characters' social interactions were within the rather progressive art circles of the time, so they had to deal with much less prejudice or hostility than they would normally have to deal with outside these circles. Also, there is no presence of members of Lilly's family, so that topic is not touched upon.

4. I don't know why you say that - but I haven't seen any of his interviews either, so I don't have an opinion.

5. Sure it's an Oscar bait. But it is still a very good movie, which I didn't find prejudiced nor transphobic.

~*~

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

Great reply, ellie.

Just on 2, I read an interview after seeing the movie where he said they did consult a lot of people in the trans community. I cant remember where I found the article.

As fasr as oscar bait, not sure why people get so upset about oscar bait.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Could you link me to this?

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

This is a different article

More than 40 trans people were involved in the production of the film, many as supporting actors and extras, and Hooper said he hoped it would inspire more trans people to pursue a career in the entertainment industry.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-culture/the-danish-girl-director-tom-hooper-in-coversation-with-transgender-woman-kate-doak-20160113-gm4t74.html

I'm not trans but I found it incredibly sensitive and I related to both characters. It's a beautiful, moving movie. I'd be interested to read what you think if you do see it.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Thanks for this. I still have a lot of gripes with this film, but I am a lot more interested now.

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

Well if you do see it, I hope you like it. If not, I'm still interested to get your PoV.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

I just finished watching half the movie, I don't like splitting movies up over a few days, but this is my schedule for now. Once I finish it I will post my final thoughts on this thread.

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

OK thanks honey.

reply

[–] GeorgeAndSidPurr 8 years ago

2. I don't know anything about that, but the book on which the movie is based is itself based on the memoir of Lilly herself (called "Man into Woman" and published in 1933).

what bothers me the most about this movie is this:

"The movie is based on the novel The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff, which is a fictionalized account of the life of Einar Wegener/Lili Elbe, not an actual biography like some people think. The author changed so many elements of Einar Wegener's story that the characters in the book are entirely fictional, no other character in the novel has any relation to an actual person, living or dead. Historical accounts claim that Gerda Wegener was lesbian and that she preferred Lili's femininity over Einar's masculinity and that they had an open relationship. Gerda lived openly as lesbian when she lived in Paris with Lili. The love story portrayed in the novel and in this film is fiction, Gerda and Lili didn't remain close after their marriage was annulled."
Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810819/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

why make a "biopic" when you actually use fiction as a reference? the real story would have been so much more interesting. the film was also criticised for "being written similarly to forced feminization erotica" (source: wikipedia/harlot magazine, nov 2015)

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

That makes me feel a lot better about the movie, thanks.

reply

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Coming out harms no one. If you're embarrassed or angry at the person who came out, then that is a you problem.

So I should clarify, by 'harm' I mean damage inflicted on them, emotional or physical. I guess you can be 'hurt,' like, you could be upset or angry, but that isn't anyone's fault but your own.

If you want to chalk those up to the same thing, OK, I'm just saying what I'm thinking.

reply

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Eddie Redmayne's character did nothing wrong by coming out, and shouldn't be to blamed for any grief that Alicia Vikander's character suffered.

And yes, I did a poor job of articulating this earlier.

Also, personal anecdote as to why I may be more polarized about this if you're interested... My best friend (a transgender man), came out to his family, while they mourned the loss of 'their little girl' he was self-harming.

When I came out to my family, and my father needed a million years to understand why I was never a boy, and that I was 'asking to much' (I never asked anything of him), I tried to kill myself.

So yeah, a person's spouse is 'harmed' in a way that they might be upset. They might be angry or scared. But they are no victim of their spouse.

Another side-note:

Having finally seen The Danish Girl, I thought they portrayed this aspect quite well.

reply

[–] RaZor690 8 years ago

I think you need to do one thing. Take a step back and realise there are more people out there who are allowed to be affected, and express that.

Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with my partner realising or deciding to express that they're transgender and/or identify with a different sexuality. I would support them fully and make sure that other people would do so as well. But would I stay married to them? Not a given.

You cannot pretend that people aren't loosing a person during a transition. I've grown up with people who today have transitioned and they are not the same person anymore, and I'm not just talking about a name and a gender identity. And that can be difficult for some people and you need to let them grieve that person. One can grieve the person they knew and be happy for you being able to be yourself fully, at the same time.

No one has ever said that a transgender person deciding to transition (or not for that matter), or a person expressing their sexual orientation did something wrong. But that doesn't make it peachy easy for people to deal with it.

And yes you can be blamed for grief. There's a massive difference in deciding to go down that path in a sense of my way or the highway, and try to grow together into your new life.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Take a step back and realise there are more people out there who are allowed to be affected, and express that.

Ok, yes, but what I like to say is that they are no victims of the transgender person.

Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with my partner realising or deciding to express that they're transgender and/or identify with a different sexuality. I would support them fully and make sure that other people would do so as well. But would I stay married to them? Not a given.

Great, but you wouldn't be a victim of the transgender person.

You cannot pretend that people aren't loosing a person during a transition. I've grown up with people who today have transitioned and they are not the same person anymore, and I'm not just talking about a name and a gender identity. And that can be difficult for some people and you need to let them grieve that person. One can grieve the person they knew and be happy for you being able to be yourself fully, at the same time.

See, I don't think you are transphobic, but this little piece you wrote here is entirely untrue.

No one has ever said that a transgender person deciding to transition (or not for that matter), or a person expressing their sexual orientation did something wrong. But that doesn't make it peachy easy for people to deal with it.

Well, what do you mean by 'no one?' There are still a lot of homophobic/transphobic people in the world that do believe that said person has done something wrong.

And yes you can be blamed for grief. There's a massive difference in deciding to go down that path in a sense of my way or the highway, and try to grow together into your new life.

So this is kinda' vague. But I am getting the impression that you are saying certain people should stay in the closet.

Closing statement: I'm sure you mean well.

reply

[–] Airman87 8 years ago

Ok, yes, but what I like to say is that they are no victims of the transgender person.

Great, but you wouldn't be a victim of the transgender person.

Absolute lie.

There are plenty of trans/gay individuals who knew they were gay/trans, before engaging into long-term relationships and deceived their partner, because they didn't have the courage to come out before committing to marriage; so they lied for years that they loved their partner until ultimately deciding to come out.

_______
When logic and science aren't on your side, you always lose.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

You're playing a game of pin the blame on the donkey.

There are a million and one reasons people don't come out before entering a relationship.

You're kind of suggesting transgender people stay in the closet just to hurt people. Which is bizarre to say the least.

reply

[–] Bl_zz 8 years ago

I haven't watched the movie either at the moment and I don't know more about the movie than you did when you started this thread. You're both judging by extremes or rather by generalizing (you started the thread with it). I think the best way to look at this is not the way of "victimizing" someone, which could practically only happen if you start a relationship with someone you don't truly love or deceit them somehow.

The right way to look at it is who feels hurt. Everybody can feel hurt, it doesn't mean someone victimized them and treated them badly. If you marry someone and then come out, sure they might feel hurt. You might have victimized them, but that's not a given and like reasons to 'stay in the closet' it differs from person to person and from case to case.

reply

[–] RaZor690 8 years ago

You need to understand that what you personally think, isn't a fundamental truth. All people are different, that doesn't change just because you're trans*. I don't know about you, but I've lived in the LGBTQ* society all my life, not just my adult life, which means I've come across a lot of people on the spectrum of life and I do not just speak from my own experience.

If you wouldn't have known I'm cis your replies to my comments would surely have been of a different nature, as you would have taken anecdotal evidence from a transperson differently. My comment about people transitioning are different people is more or less a direct quote from a friend of mine when discussing his transitioning several years ago, and was also used by my friend when his, then wife and now husband, decided to start his transitioning. So the fact that you're trying to make it out like "I'm sure you mean well and I'm sure you're not trying to be transphobic" is rather amusing.

Having a difficult time because someone around you is transitioning (or not for that matter) isn't transphobic at all. Saying to a person they can't because the person can't deal with it, or give them a hard time for wanting to be themselves, is however.

To refuse to let other people around you deal with your transitioning, something you most likely have dealt with all of your life to come to terms with, in a short time, is selfish.

So please take your assumptions and shove them where they fit, because you my friend seem to be the one with judgemental and damaging ideas, not me.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Your friends seem like they would be a lot more interesting to talk to than you...

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Sorry, I should give a more singular statement:

Listen, you sound real nice, but they're are some things you are saying in this post that are really untrue, and modestly harmful. I don't want to list them out, but when you hear me say that about half of transgender people attempt suicide, about eighty percent of which are under the age of eighteen, and the only time you are willing to chime in, is when I say that cisgender people are not victims of transgender people coming out, it highlights your prejudice.

Also, this isn't at all related to the original post.

Cheers.

reply

[–] 8 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Marcadimus 8 years ago

The character didn't do anything wrong, this is true. A person's life is the only one they have and if they want to be who they truly are, they should be.

But to claim there is no harm inflicted on a long term spouse who was not aware is very selfish and short sighted in my opinion.

I thought this movie did a great job of conveying the pain and relief that were felt by the characters (and keep in mind I had done zero back story research, and am taking this movie as is, period). I have a female friend who is adamant she doesn't understand how any woman "doesn't like dick."

She is blunt but open sexually and loves the sex she has with her husband. Now, if after being married for 10+ years he were to come out as gay, or transgender, I don't think she would hate him for it, but she would be very shattered emotionally. When Alicia says she "misses him inside her," she is conveying the loss of part of what made him her husband, as he was her lover.

Accepting or not, she has the possibility of feeling betrayed, even if her husband didn't know it himself, she signed up for a marriage with a man she loved. The loss of his desire for her sexually and additionally the loss of his sex organ severely changes the life she had planned.

Just my opinion of course, and I never blame anyone for being who they are. But again, to act like the only one harmed is the person who comes out is like saying suicide only hurts the one who dies. You don't have the ability to speak to the pain of others.

reply

[–] mhpayne78 8 years ago

I agree..... it doesn't matter what the other spouse has been hiding..... if someone marries a person and then finds out said person is not who he/she portrayed him or herself to be when they fell in love (in this case, a male) then the spouse has every right to feel angry and emotionally hurt. You can't be one-sided about that.

reply

[–] desimonici-520-200435 8 years ago

It harms no one? Really? It wouldn't harm someone who thought they had married a man? If it does it is their hard luck? Wow! As equally selfish as missing the person in the gender that you once knew them. I'm guessing you don't have too many friends or loved ones. Sorry but your attitude stinks of self-entitlement and a lack of compassion for anyone but yourself.

reply

[–] ioan_18 8 years ago

I hate this minority that destroy the transgender community, including you OP.

You're complaining about some idiotic things and you're looking at it wrong. The other people can suffer too, you selfish person. Gerda had been Lili's wife for six years and she loved his husband. I found it great how they portrayed her side of the story too.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Really, you 'hate' me?

Ok.

reply

[–] LionInWinter 8 years ago

Maybe watch it before making such retarded claims. No wonder people think you're messed up in the head.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Lol, why so angry? I wasn't even arguing over the movie, just asking some questions...

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

So did you finish it and if so, and what did you think?

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Oh, yeah sorry for not posting this sooner.

I guess I just didn't think much of it at all. There were a few poignant moments in the first half of the movie, and some parts that made little to no since. I thought, while Eddie Redmayne did a good job, he didn't take my breath away. The movie seemed to be more about Alicia Vikander, who gave an excellent performance, than Eddie Redmayne. The script-writing felt lazy as the movie bore on.

Tl;dr: Overall it is just an ok film. I enjoyed it, but there just isn't much to say.

When it comes to transgender issues, I didn't think there were too many in the movie. I've heard people complain about 'forced feminization' fantasies, and historical inaccuracies that make the movie transphobic. I can see what they mean with forced feminization, but it seems like a shallow complaint. And the movie should be judged as its own story rather than a historical one.

Tl;dr: It is no educational guide, but it sure isn't transphobic

reply

[–] LionInWinter 8 years ago

You can't just blatantly assume these people are making transphobic and sexist art and then backpedal and say you were "asking questions". Assuming discrimination is NEVER justified, especially based on such ridiculous arguments. As if any normal wife wouldn't freak out when her husband came out as trans anyway.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

I also blatantly asked people to augment and correct my understanding of the movie blatantly in the first post.

I also responded to people who believe I was misled and thanked them.

You really are a touchy one aren't you?

reply

[–] LionInWinter 8 years ago

"I'm assuming this movie is discriminating against me based on a few clips which aren't even transphobic. Feel free to convince me otherwise."

If you don't see why that is stupid and illogical behavior then I have no hope for you.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Here are some actual quotes from my posts, you simplistic brat who is only capable of reading the one sentence summaries of posts I have made.

If anyone knows more than me let me know

Is the wife of our protagonist meant to be portrayed as some kind of victim of our protagonist's transgender identity?

if I'm wrong here please correct me

Anyone want to correct/add to what I said?

Thanks for this. I still have a lot of gripes with this film, but I am a lot more interested now.

That makes me feel a lot better about the movie, thanks.

If you weren't such self-centered pissbaby, maybe you would have read my posts. Maybe you would have noticed that there are a couple of nice people making polite conversation rather than just calling me 'retarded' and 'messed up in the' right out of the gates. The fact that you didn't notice any of this proves the fact that you are a giant *beep* Here is a too long didn't read for you since that is all you seem capable of processing:

Tl;dr: *beep* you.

reply

[–] LionInWinter 8 years ago

You still made a lot of conclusions about prejudice and discrimination based on absolutely nothing, that makes you an idiot no matter how much you admit it. Goodbye.

reply

[–] lulupalooza 8 years ago

OP, I have to agree with LionInWinter.

I winced at the very ridiculousness of your juvenile "review" opinion. Criticizing and complaining about a film before having seen it - especially one that potentially garners debate - is frankly absurd. Your post-screening review snippets, that must be mined from the remaining thread, leave much to be desired; their impact quite impotent after such a scalding post with a histrionic subject line.

"Don't get chumpatized!" - The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2007)

reply

[–] Silverandgrey 8 years ago

Mind watching the movie and sharing what you think? I would be even more interested in your views after, when you can accurately judge a film you haven't seen yet.

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

I think we've all been trolled.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Why?

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

I mean, I didn't really have a 'view' about this movie, other than I was skeptical over its portrayal of transgender issues.

I just posted my thoughts in this thread after viewing the movie if you are curious.

reply

[–] Cristiana_James_Wright 8 years ago

It's not a film necessarily about transgender issues but more about the beautiful relationship of Gerda and Lili. Yes, she transitioned from a man into a woman but the film took liberties to sorely focus on that instead of the outside stuff. Lili did have friends in real life who cut off contact because she murdered Einar metaphorically speaking. It could have been more autobiographical. More by the numbers and by the book but the heart of it all (in real life and the film) was the unconditional love and support Gerda had for Lili. It doesn't matter if she really was bisexual in real life. It doesn't matter if people back then weren't accepting of transgender because honestly a lot of people still aren't. It's not the point. It's about showing someone going through extreme anguish of wanting to live as someone else. A completely different gender. And the pain that their wife is going through because she essentially lost her husband. It's sad. It's heartbreaking. A lot of people didn't give this film a chance. I was shocked during awards season that it didn't get much love outside of the brilliant performances of Redmayne and Vikander. This film ten or twenty years will be dabbed as an underrated classic. It deserved to be nominated for Best Original Score, Best Cinematography, and I'm going against the grain here but Best Picture/Director as well. I never said it should have win the latter but it should have been recognized by the academy.

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

It deserved to be nominated for Best Original Score, Best Cinematography, and I'm going against the grain here but Best Picture/Director as well.

After watching it I also thought it was a little weird that it wasn't nodded for best cinematography and score as well. It wouldn't stand a chance of winning either when compared to Star Wars, Mad Max, The Hateful Eight, and The Revenant; but it was still all very impressive.

reply

[–] Cristiana_James_Wright 8 years ago

Because not enough people saw the film just for the subject alone. I suggested the film on the politics board, a board I frequent, and almost everyone except two posters after how many replies in the thread? Said they wouldn't dare see it because they have "morals". Talk about ignorance...

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Well that sucks...

reply

[–] sunchick116-872-583383 8 years ago

so OP you don't find it completely irresponsible that a trans person hides their identity a la bruce jenner, gets married, brings wives and children into the world and then completely turns their lives upside when he could have avoided the whole mess to begin with? sounds like you're the selfish one.

(and before you start on me, i'm disabled. if my disability wasn't physically visible, it would be COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE of me to never tell my partner of my disability and then one day when i fall ill, he can't handle taking care of me. i brought that on myself and i would admit that)

reply

[–] Aim-JE 8 years ago

So yeah, a person's spouse is 'harmed' in a way that they might be upset. They might be angry or scared. But they are no victim of their spouse.

I really hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, but I disagree. I don't think people suddenly realize, say, in their late 40s, that they were born in the wrong body. I think it's something they've always known. One should never enter a marriage if there's any doubt about their sexual identity. Marriage is not a "fix."
When a woman marries a man who's hiding or not ready to face his/her true self, s/he is lying to his/her wife. The woman gives him the best years of her life, children, her very life-blood, and once he has all that, he finally decides, "It's 'me' time" and begins the transition. I can't imagine how I'd feel if I gave my life to someone and they threw me away like a failed experiment.
That wasn't the case in this movie, and I don't believe it's the norm at all, but it does happen. If that isn't victimizing someone, I don't know what is.

(and before you start on me, i'm disabled. if my disability wasn't physically visible, it would be COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE of me to never tell my partner of my disability and then one day when i fall ill, he can't handle taking care of me. i brought that on myself and i would admit that)

I'm also disabled, and it's physically visible. I agree with the above quote 100%. It's one of the reasons I've never married. It's hard enough on me. I'd never dream of forcing it on someone else.
Know and be who you truly are before you start a life with someone else. Everyone deserves that kind of love and respect.

"Leave me to do my dark bidding on the internet!"

reply

[–] BugisStreetAnnie 8 years ago

I don't think people suddenly realize, say, in their late 40s, that they were born in the wrong body. I think it's something they've always known.

I don't think they do, either. Maybe it's different for women, but I believe a lot of males marry and know how they truly feel, but do it so people won't say that he's a "Fa g in drag, a sissy, etc." He can always take a wife and say, "You are wrong. You see I have a wife and a couple of kids." I think they get to a certain age and then they don't care what people think anymore and decide to come out and, basically, give their wife and kids the finger, and start living as a female.

What's ironic, though, is there are some women that know up front about their then-boyfriends desire to cross dress and change gender, but they marry them anyway. My cousin's wife would be like that if it happened. She never had a desire to work or take care of herself, and if some man had come along and said he's a cross dresser and feels like a woman inside, but he will marry her and she never has to get a job, he will support her, she would've jumped at the chance to be with him regardless of his 'lifestyle.' She would simply learn to deal with it.

reply

[–] Aim-JE 8 years ago

If she is willing to enter that situation with her eyes wide open, that's her choice.
I don't think a man who decides to start his transition late in life doesn't care about the family he started, and I believe a transgender person deserves a family if he or she wants one, but not through dishonesty, deceit, or desperation.
I'd also like to stress that I'm not picking on man-to-woman transgender people. The difference is that a woman can only bear children for a finite time. Men can father children until the day they die.
If two people fall in love and one reveals he or she is transgender and they still want to stay together and start a family, eggs and/or sperm can be harvested and frozen for future use.

"Leave me to do my dark bidding on the internet!"

reply

[–] arizonabay6-671-900060 8 years ago

The politics board is an depressing cesspool of hate and ignorance. Best avoided by anyone with an ounce of sense.

"To err is human...so...errrr..." - Gary King

reply

[–] OmStarsong 8 years ago

I thought Sicario should have won Cinematography.. The camera work was so intricate and integral to the movie it was like a character unto itself..

Nobody, not even John Williams this time, was going to beat Ennio..

Danish Girl was excellent..! Though I'd have been interested in a more historical portrayal, it was still very well done on every level..
It and Spotlight were the best I've seen this year, and I think the Director should have gotten a lot more credit..

The idea that Revenant won anything is just another reflection of the shallow society and self aggrandizing attitudes of Hollywood..
It was in every way, to me at least a pathetic attempt to grab awards, which is fine if you're going to offer an honest, creative work that stands on its own, but in this case it was a poor remake of a much better movie.. There were so many stupid ideas and unbelievable scenes I was completely taken out of the illusion and constantly aware I was watching a movie.. The camera work and directors choices were distracting and not artistically relevant to the action at all..

Like most American politics Leo won due to to emotional fervor and a big advertising budget.. They did everything possible to make him look Oscar worthy.. Total Hollywood pap.. Redmayne was beyond good and should have won Best Actor.. He took chances and went to depths that most actors avoid..

And that's what I think of that.. :)

reply

[–] Cristiana_James_Wright 8 years ago

It definitely is the cream of the crop of 2015. I didn't think Leonardo DiCaprio deserved to win over Eddie Redmayne

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

I mostly agree with you, I still don't think Eddie did that great of a job. You know, he was fine, but I feel like he relied too much on just wryly smiling and awkward smiling.

I don't know what you mean by saying he took chances and went to depths that most actors avoid.

Despite Leo winning due to emotional fervor, I still believe that he deserved the win. OF course I understand the criticisms of his acting.

reply

[–] Rat_27 8 years ago

Full disclosure, it is impossible for me to take your "review" seriously, since you never even bothered to watch the movie. But, I will gladly grade your book report, but please don't expect more than a C+.

If anyone knows more than me let me know

Everyone who saw at least 5 minutes of the movie knows more than you ...

1. The wife is actually portrayed as someone without incredible love and patience for her husband. She is the hero of the story.

2. Dunno. I never looked into the production of this movie. No idea what 'cis people' are, but by your sentence structure, I assume it means NOT trans ... so "normal"? But, you are admittedly bent out of shape about something that you don't know? So ... zero research, but you decide to be offended anyway on an assumption? Interesting.

3. The surgery killed him.

4. No I don't. I think he's an actor who played a role and he got a paycheck for it. Going to work isn't "brave", by any stretch of the imagination. Personally, I don't think he did a good job, but that's just my opinion.

5. So?

tl;dr - You need to see the movie to draw a valid conclusion.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Why so angry?

I already know you didn't read the rest of this thread, or any of this thread. I think you hardly read the original post. There were people giving me the information I explicitly asked for, people who weren't making complete asses of themselves with their blatant bigotry worn on their sleeves.

No idea what 'cis people' are, but by your sentence structure, I assume it means NOT trans ... so "normal"?

I also know that you didn't read my personal review because you claim that I've never seen the movie. You base my 'claim' on one tl;dr statement, as if that weren't accompanied by a lengthy post filled with almost exclusively questions, most of which were answered tactfully, and in, oh I dunno' a discussion based format, rather than aggressive rhetoric.

Since you are obviously an apathetic troll obliged to only navigate and respond to material that it finds offensive, in some kind of bizarre desire to be constantly be pissed off, here is my personal review I made earlier in this thread, after some decent people convinced me to watch said movie.

Oh, yeah sorry for not posting this sooner.

I guess I just didn't think much of it at all. There were a few poignant moments in the first half of the movie, and some parts that made little to no since. I thought, while Eddie Redmayne did a good job, he didn't take my breath away. The movie seemed to be more about Alicia Vikander, who gave an excellent performance, than Eddie Redmayne. The script-writing felt lazy as the movie bore on.

Tl;dr: Overall it is just an ok film. I enjoyed it, but there just isn't much to say.

When it comes to transgender issues, I didn't think there were too many in the movie. I've heard people complain about 'forced feminization' fantasies, and historical inaccuracies that make the movie transphobic. I can see what they mean with forced feminization, but it seems like a shallow complaint. And the movie should be judged as its own story rather than a historical one.

Here's a recommendation, people can, and do, form opinions of movies ahead of viewing ALL THE TIME, it is pretentious and shallow to believe otherwise. (Have you seen Norm of the North, no? Neither have I, because it is *beep* And when I am obviously seeking out new information to convince me to see a movie, I haven't discounted it, in fact, just the opposite.

Here is a response from danloki:

This is a different article

More than 40 trans people were involved in the production of the film, many as supporting actors and extras, and Hooper said he hoped it would inspire more trans people to pursue a career in the entertainment industry.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-culture/the-danish-girl-director-tom-hooper-in-coversation-with-transgender-woman-kate-doak-20160113-gm4t74.html

I'm not trans but I found it incredibly sensitive and I related to both characters. It's a beautiful, moving movie. I'd be interested to read what you think if you do see it.

And here is my response:

Thanks for this. I still have a lot of gripes with this film, but I am a lot more interested now.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are such a shallow and angry person, I don't know how you get through life being so, so easy to piss-off.

you decide to be offended anyway on an assumption? Interesting.

Yeah, I got nothing on you honey...

reply

[–] Rat_27 8 years ago

Angry? Hmm. That's an interesting conclusion. I am not angry at all. Not sure why you think you have enough to determine my depth, but ... please, feel free.

No, I didn't read the entire thread. I was responding to your comment at the beginning of it.

Full disclosure, I have only read a few articles about this film and have seen it's promotional material. If anyone knows more than me let me know, I don't care about spoilers.

... Yeah, I got the impression that you hadn't seen the movie. I did not stay tuned for your updates.

Yeah, I got nothing on you honey...

This is true.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

I'm glad you managed to calm yourself down.

reply

[–] Rat_27 8 years ago

You misunderstand. I've been calm this entire time.

reply

[–] DaveBowman2001 8 years ago

Did you even read the title of your post? Anyway, for all the offended parties, this is a fictional movie "loosely based" on true events. It's not a documentary. Someone else even mentioned his wife was a lesbian in RL...that puts a whole other slant on this, but wouldn't make for as interesting of a movie I guess.

reply

[–] Rat_27 8 years ago

MY post? There is no title to my post. I responded to OP. I was calm then, and I am calm now.

reply

[–] DaveBowman2001 8 years ago

well got your two confused I guess...sorry

reply

[–] arpine_jaghlasian 8 years ago

1) I think the reason it was so emotionally chaotic wasn't just that he came out later on in life, but it was set during the 1920s. Transgender wasn't even a term then let alone accepted at all. There was a lot of confusion as to what was actually going on with him and whether or not it was "normal". Obviously if set today they wouldn't have faced half as much confusion and stress.

reply

[–] bizzyozella 8 years ago

Yeah, I think the movie would have been a lot more interesting if it focused more on the societal implications of being transgender. Like, there was only one montage sequence of the various doctors, and another scene of two guys beating Eddie up. Besides those, I didn't really think that there was much exploration of the society of the time.

reply

[–] danloki 8 years ago

They lived in a bohemian circle so I dont think it was much of a stretch for Lili to be accepted by the fellow artistes of the time, same with Gerda's bisexuality, and they didnt really do much outside their circle so the scenes with the doctors and the two french thugs was probably enough to get across what the larger society thought back then. I found that pretty powerful. The doctor consults and the thugs really upset me.

reply