Can someone explain what actually happened to Doug's parents?
I wasnt super following "The Florist" in his weird/eerie/creepy explanation scene. "Chemicals"?
shareFor starters: Doug's mother left Doug and his father when Doug was around six years old, due to Mac Sr's criminal lifestyle. Fergie the Florist, who Doug and his accomplices in crime ultimately ended up working for (as Doug's father had done before him.), imho, sterilized Doug's father in both the literal way and the figurative way: Fergie injected Mac Sr. (i. e. Doug's father) with female hormones that shut down the production of testosterone, and also got Doug's mother hooked on heroin. Doug's mother ultimately commited suicide by hanging herself. So, Fergie the Florist sterilized Doug's father in both the literal and figurative way, imo.
shareFergie injected Mac Sr. (i. e. Doug's father) with female hormones that shut down the production of testosterone
I think you are speculating wildly here my friend... rather than take out doug's father, fergie targets the mother who would be much more susceptible to influence than a disciplined criminal. the mother gets hooked, ultimately kills herself and macray senior has a much more prolonged, tortoruous punishment than if he were simply killed. instead he has to live his life knowing it was his actions led to her death, all the while lying to doug about the actual circumstances as well. the female hormones angle is quite preposterous if you ask me as a) it isnt alluded to in the slightest b) what would fergie gain from him being sterilised c) why would doug's dad allow it to happen. his appearance in jail is hardly a reliable indicator either.... reel that imagination in a little :-) share
I have to disagree with you too, mburton81.
Fergie may not have taken out Doug's father, but, given the way Doug's father looked when Doug visited him in prison (much fatter, pot-bellied, more round-shouldlered and shrunken), I stand by what I've said about Fergie having sterilized Doug's father in the literal, as well as the figurative way. Nobody's disputing that Fergie got Doug's mom hooked on heroin, resulting in her death, but I firmly believe that Fergie did sterilize "Mac" Senior (i. e. Doug's father) with female hormones, as well.
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You can disagree with him all you want. You're idea is insanely preposterous and out in left field, and is also based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
shareBy hurling insults at me, YOU'RE proving that YOU'RE insane and out in left field, J0hnayres.
shareNo, I'm not. Nice try though.
shareNo, I'm not. Nice try though.
You think that you're not out in left-field, but you're wrong, j0hnayres. You and almost everybody else on this board have proven that you're abnormal by hurling personal insults and attacks on people who openly disagree with the mainstream on this board, and what other people have to say. You think you're great, but you know what? You sure as hell ain't! share
He didn't hurl any insults at you. He said your ideas were preposterous and out in left field. He used the word insanely to modify the word preposterous. If you find someone else's opinion of your opinion an insult then that's your problem.
All that being said, there is no evidence in the movie that supports your opinion. When the florist spoke about controlling Doug's father chemically he was saying he got Doug's mom hooked on drugs, leading her to kill herself thus showing the father who was in control.
So what? I stand by what I've said here, and I really don't give a rat's ass what you or anybody else things, sying. Doug was a stupid guy anyway, for blowing his chance to form a decent life for himself and become a decent person and to really get out of the criminal lifestyle. So was Doug's father, for letting himself fall under Fergie's spell in the first place.
shareFirst, why the hostility? I wasn't being hostile towards you. I simply pointed out the previous poster didn't insult you? You seem touchy. What's up with that?
Second, I can certainly respect the fact you stick to your idea. I, and others, simply don't think it's supported by anything in the movie. You say Stephen was pot bellied and such and that's proof that he was injected with estrogen? I don't know if you've noticed but Chris Cooper isn't exactly the most in shape of guys. That's not exactly irrefutable proof.
Finally, what would the motivation be? The point of Fergie figuratively castrating Stephen was to motivate him into doing the work? How would injecting female hormones do that? That would seem like it would get the opposite reaction.
Oh, and before you reply with what I imagine would be hostility again, remember that those that reply in such a way are on the defensive and their arguments are shaky. I believe you even pointed that out once.
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This:
riendoffilm has got to be one of the dumbest persons on imdb boards.
That or you have some kind of a mental disorder that affects your reasoning ability.
applies to you. Speak for yourself, CarnivalCrash! Your internet username reflects just who and what YOU are. share
It is not that you're not allowed to have your opinion... BUT within the context of the film, that teory simply doesn't fly. This is a gritty crime-drama. Besides, I think you would need more than one injection to simply stop the production of testosterone. If you can provide actual evidence that ONE injection can do this, I will cheerfully back you up.
Furthermore, old men get a kind of saggy as they get old. And given that MacRay Sr. is to do nothing but spend the rest of his life in a jail-cell, he would have become fatter and his body would begin to ache more from the lack of proper excercise.
"sterilized Doug's father in both the literal way and the figurative way: Fergie injected Mac Sr. (i. e. Doug's father) with female hormones that shut down the production of testosterone"
Wait, what...?
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