So basically after watching the movie, I felt like this was a Robin Hood movie without a Robin Hood. I'm waiting for this movie to get to the parts where he is an outlaw... only to be disappointed in the end. Anyone else feel this way?
shareI don't know what ou mean. He was an outlaw for most of the movie, seems to me: I don't remember at what moment he is procalimed an outlaw by John, but pretty much as soon as he arrives at Loxley's place, he decides the people can't pay their taxes anymore and they stop paying them. If I had to summarize the movie, I'd say it's about a war veteran fighting the tyrannical rule of a bad king; sounds very Robin Hoodesque to me. What is it exactly you missed?
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It's a rebooted Robin Hood origin story that set the stage for a sequel we are unlikely to get because the very expensive origin story did insufficient business. Bit of a shame actually as I liked the movie.
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I'm with you. I love the movie too. I'm actually watching it right now. I got it on DVD at Walmart. What I love so much about Ridley Scott and his movies, is that he really tries to entertain people. He really does, & I appreciate that so much about him. And so what, if Robin Hood is not wearing the cheesy Lincoln green tights and isn't Disney like and like we all know him to be. This is a really fascinating film, and Russell Crowe is really good with a bow and arrow. I really can't think of anyone who would make a better Robin Hood. Russell Crowe is perfect in the role. And honestly, Cate Blanchett was perfect in her role too. She's a classic beauty. Golden Era of Hollywood movie star beauty.
And I love the small touches in this movie, like the straw on the ground. Which apparently from what I understand is medieval carpet to make the stone floors more comfortable and helps with removing the food and dirt on the ground during cleanup. That's high level set design. Which is what Ridley Scott is known for. As well as the muddy town. He does a great job in that regard.
I lived in France as a child and as a young girl, I used to love to visit places like Versailles, Fontainebleau, etc and all of the Baroque castles where you can see all the furnishings. But whenever my dad would drag us to the medieval Forts and ruins of castles I would not necessarily get what was so great about it, and we saw so many medieval museums I thought I was going to pass out. In fact I lived in a very small town which was a Roman fortress that was established in like 500 BC or AD or something like that, and I honestly did not appreciate where I was living and what I was seeing. But at this point if I move back I think that's probably where I'll spend all my time because the medieval era is the most fascinating to me at this point. Specifically, the Black Plague and medieval torture and the way people fought battles and lived.
** Don't ask me why I love the torture devices. I think what's so interesting about it, is that they just seem to have so much time on their hands to invent some seriously bizarre mean stuff. And the stories surrounding the torture is just truly fascinating, like there is one story about some guy being impaled and him taking forever to die and some lady took pity on him and gave him water so he killed her by bashing her skull in while impaled. Truly bizzare.
Ridley Scott does a great job of doing these medieval war scenes with all the armory, and then he adds just a little bit of a love story in there but not too much which is good and then sticks a bunch of history in there but he embellishes which I like too. I mean, people complain about how this film or that film is not really a historically accurate film blah blah blah....Seriously if you want to watch a documentary, then watch a documentary. If you want to be entertained watch a movie and forgive the embellishments.
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And I love the small touches in this movie, like the straw on the ground.
I mean, people complain about how this film or that film is not really a historically accurate film blah blah blah....
Yes, you'll never get me to debate you or anyone about the validity of a 200 million dollar film. I couldn't agree with you more. . I don't even understand how or where one can even spend that kind of money. If you wiki Monsters I believe, I think that's the one, it shows how low budget you can get for a film and it still be a somewhat of a decent film or something like that. Saving money can be done. I don't know why people just don't even try. Scott's last film, the Counselor, I believe was made for like 25 million. So even Ridley Scott, can make a film that's pretty low budget.
I was on the maybe the Movie Awards board or something like that where somebody showed me the Sahara lawsuit, and they had a breakdown of a very rare published Movie budget and there's a huge amount of waste in any film budget as that film showed. They had a $100,000/mo bottled water bill for Sahara. And separately, I did read somewhere that the budget is as big as they let you get away with. So in this film or any film I'm certain they could have gotten away with a lot smaller budget. And it's very much a shame as you say because it did not need to be that way.
But with regard to the small touches I think I read somewhere that even down to the RAT that you talked about, I think it was the black rack that they had scampering around that was true to the time era and geography which is what caused the Black Plague. They have black rats running around and I'm not sure which rat we're talking about here but he was even historical about that which is as you say a very very nice touch. I wasn't going to bring the rat up, because I figured no one was interested or picked up on it etc, but you brought it up, so I guess I'm not the only one that knew about that. I'm thinking I saw someone talking about it in some sort of Ridley Scott interview on youtube or something? Maybe we both saw it? That's funny again, very cool.
Not that you're interested, or even care, but my father is an ornamental iron sculptor and blacksmith by hobby/second profession, and has been commissioned by museums to create pieces for exhibition, and so last year, he made me a replica of an ancient bracelet that the Roman soldiers used to wear apparently to help identify themselves for purposes of a proper burial. And I'm constantly getting for Christmas and birthdays, replicas of medieval jewelry and things like that. And that's very much fun to have a father that can do that. I learn so much from him in that regard. Ridley Scott's a pretty good teacher of history in that regard as well. My dad also makes chainmail. Although for years I've been asking him to make me a medieval armor lunch box with the image of Prince Valiant on it with a thermos and he hasn't gotten around to it yet. Think about how much money you could make with one of those things. You get one those lunch boxes marketed at Walmart, and then you put some sort of weird medieval torture device in there with a stick and a chain and one of those iron balls with the spikes on it. You could say goodbye to the practice of bullies stealing milk money in the playground in the schoolyard. Just kidding.
I wonder what he could do with the Cathars and Montsegur where thousands were massacred by being burned at the stake. Or a magnificent larger than life person like Charlemagne. Or even the Legend of King Arthur. Or better yet a really really old King from the very early days of England. Or even Bloody Mary....
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Yes, you'll never get me to debate you or anyone about the validity of a 200 million dollar film.
Re: your comment about GDP of a small country. I was thinking that, but didn't say anything because I couldn't think of any country that fit the bill. But, great minds think alike obviously.
Greak moniker/internet pen name. One of my best friends (a guy) is nicknamed, RAT. His wife has pet rats. Kind of funny. That's his initials and his nickname. Once again, great minds think alike.
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I love the small touches in this movie, like the straw on the ground. Which apparently from what I understand is medieval carpet to make the stone floors more comfortable and helps with removing the food and dirt on the ground during cleanup.
That's high level set design. Which is what Ridley Scott is known for. As well as the muddy town. He does a great job in that regard.
honestly, I'm not really going to have a fight with you about rushes vs. straw...so you can be an obnoxious jacks$$ while showing me your brilliance. I mean we could get into the concept of *beep* vs kindling blah blah blah for starting fires under the Cathars at Montsegurs but I'm not going to fight with you on that either. I'm also well aware of the fact that there was a difference in architectural design and that people lived in one big room in the early Middle Ages and then it was only until later that they also created rooms and etcetera. And quite frankly, I lived in France so I saw these castles first hand and the ruins etc so I'm very well aware of the evolution of architecture in the Middle Ages and didn't come on here to get a "talking to by you" thank you.
So take up this nonsense with someone else Kay?
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Lena, are you sure you're not reading too much into Syntinen's post? I don't see any talking to or fight anywhere, and (no offense to you, Syntinen), nothing brilliant either! It's just an informative bit that brings its little piece to the conversation about the movie on the board. Just because it doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it attacks you. How boring boards would be if everyone just kept saying exactly the same thing as everybody else...
Anyway, merry Christmas to all, peace on earth etc etc...
"Occasionally I'm callous and strange."
I don't believe this poster was actually trying to have a fist fight with me, but I'm also not going to get into a fanboy sort of fight about whether Luke Skywalker was trying to engage in an incestuous kiss with princess Leia etc... If you ever seen the movie "Fanboys," which is a very funny movie, it makes fun of fanboys who get into fights over very minute minute details over movies. & I was just not going to go down that path. I'm more than willing to fight about large social and political concepts, but just not straw. I appreciate your input. I'm not really fighting with the guy. I'm just making it clear that I'm not going to have debates over minute little details like that.
I consider it more to be setting boundaries rather than fighting. It's all good. Merry Christmas to you.
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I like this movie. It's a prequel to the Robin Hood legend, which isn't a bad idea when it's enjoyable. At least we didn't get a retelling of the same old story. People would be complaining about it being a remake of the Costner movie.
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I Agree,
In my opinion, this movie can't even compare to the last Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves (1991) movie.
Kevin Costner does a way better job at the acting part and the movie overall is way better. Great adventures, comedy, and action.
And it also shows us all the characters like Friar Tuck and Little John more.
I really missed that in the Robin Hood 2010 movie.
I too was very disappointed with this film and it had a budget £200million.
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