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So, let me get this straight: This is the DCCU's version of "The Avengers" and...


...not ONLY can it not even crack a billion, not ONLY did it have the LOWEST opening weekend of the ENTIRE DCCU, not ONLY is it not really trending anywhere on the internet...the film is somehow even more forgettable than BVS.

BVS made movie history for ALL the wrong reasons...Justice League is apparently too lame to even be made fun of.

I see a LOT of apologist posts dedicated to defending this movie and I have to wonder: are these people just deluding themselves? In an era where comic book event movies typically make a billion in their sleep, anything less than a billion + for JUSTICE LEAGUE is just downright PATHETIC.

JUSTICE LEAGUE, people...this was supposed to be a history-making movie much like The Avengers. This is BAD any way you spin it.

I'm not a DC hater (despite how many zealots try to tell me otherwise)--I love MCU and DCCU equally and I'd love to see good movies for both.

For those of you defending this film--why? Why defending a subpar depiction of a brand that you know is capable of delivering better? Your continued defense of this DCCU only ensures the continued disrespect toward the DC brand. You should want better. You should DEMAND better.

This is the 90's or even early 2000's anymore. This "Justice League not making $1 Billion isn't a bad thing" excuse isn't going to fly in today's climate. There is no excuse for Justice League NOT netting at LEAST $1 Billion unless it's a flawed product.

The truth hurts but it's time to accept it.

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I remember you, you are the one that had a Mario avatar in IMDb, right?

But yeah, not making atleast a Billion is an emberrassment, (it actually should make, atleast 1,5 billion), but it isn't the film itself that should take the blame.

The fact that the previous films (minus Wonder Woman) had bad reception and Word of Mouth helped too.

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That was me! Did we converse there?

Yeah, Man of Steel and especially BVS really left a taint. The soup's been p!ssed in and no amount of seasoning or garnish can change that. It's best they just toss out the soup and start over....

...Than again--they were talking about having JAKE GYLLENHAAL take over as Bruce Wayne when Affleck exits, so...maybe starting over is a bad idea as well. Problem is--WB will NEVER let go of their DC products.

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Maybe, but if yes it wasn't alot.

Jake Gyllenhal was also supposed to play Batman and Bruce Wayne in Nolans films so I don't know how true it is. It is also said that Gyllenhal is the Matt Reeves choice and not WBs and that the studio doesn't like the choice either. So maybe rebooting maybe isn't a bad idea either.

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I'm not knocking Jake himself--he's a fine enough actor--I just don't see him as Batman...at ALL. Seriously strange casting choice. I see a lot of potential characters in Jake but Bruce Wayne is probably the last thing I'd ever see in him.

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Gyllenhals moles are enough for me to say no for him to be any dc character. Not to mention he banged heath ledger in Brokeback mountain. It's like the joker having hot, steamy, passionate, rough, sloppy sex with batman.

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Thanks for the visual...

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lol Like when obiwan kenobi banged batman on that rooftop in velvet goldmine!

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I actually prefer Jake Gyllenhal as Bruce Wayne than Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, so a reboot with him would be fine. One thing I don't want is Christian Bale back, I don't think he was either a good Bruce Wayne neither Batman.

Actors I would cast would be Bradley Cooper (Sadly he is with Marvel now and doubt he would switch to the DCEU), or Collin Farrel.

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Hi DTeam,

Conan is back, mightier and stronger than ever and looking to continue the righteous fight against the repugnantly evil prequel lovers and the unfortunately misguided DC-apologists. See you on the battlefield.

And no I haven't seen the last turd in the failed DCEU : why would I ? Every other DCEU movie sucked.

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Hello there, Conan. :)

I'll watch the turd for free much like what I did for the other DCCU turds...except for Suicide Squad--I'll never watch that turd movie.

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You're definitely not missing much with Suicide Squad. Well, Carla Delevingne was pretty decent and made for quite an attractive witch.

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I knew as soon as I saw Leto's Joker picture that I knew for certain that I was out. Well...that and the fact that it's a villains team-up movie. What a stupid idea. Some comic ideas are best left on the comic book pages--not in a motion picture.

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What, you don't like the Joker as a street pimp? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/db/9b/5bdb9bedb3e77ff4950a72bc5ff43624.jpg

Luckily I don't think he showed up in the movie dressed like that, but I wasn't paying close attention and he is barely in it anyway.

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IMO, this is not just a condemnation on Snyder or WB....the JL as a concept is flawed. Yes, over at Marvel (comics) the Avengers had hard pills to swallow (why is Thor, an almost immortal warrior god, taking combat orders from Cap? What role DOES someone like Hawkeye or Swordsman or Mockingbird or any of the other dozens of heroes that are not super powered have on a team that regularly fights Kang or Nefaria or alien invasion? Speaking of Kang, why doesn't he just attack during any of the dozens of times the team has disbanded? Triathalon. That's a question in and of itself.) but overall their heroes were not RIDICULOUSLY overpowered (just ridiculously...no caps). The JL...even take Superman out of the picture. Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Captain Atom, Green Lantern....and they share a table with Batman, the Atom and Elongated Man). From what I hear this movie leans into that curve because the League can't beat the bad guy until Superman comes back and then all he shows is how useless the rest are. It's unrelatable to the regular moviegoer, you know?

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Indeed. The Avengers works far better as a concept because the heroes are all fallible. They are "human" and grounded. Yes, they are superhuman but they all have particular strengths and weaknesses in just the right proportions that serves to balance out the team. With Justice League you have different variations of Superman, basically. There is a lack of variation in most of the team aside from Batman and Superman and Superman possesses most of the abilities that the other individual members possess as a sole power.

The Justice League is a much more flawed concept, really.

Plus, since MCU took its time establishing the characters before the big team-up, we know exactly the strengths and weaknesses of each character. Each character has a relatable quality to them. They found a way to properly humanize the superheroes and it paid off. With Justice League we don't even know half the team and most of them don't have much in the way of relatable attributes/personalities.

That Superman point you mentioned sounds a lot like how The Avengers saved Hulk for the end fight. The difference? The Hulk didn't turn the tide of the battle--just helped balance it.

I've always felt the concept of the Justice League was flawed--long before the announcement of the movie or even the emergence of the DCCU. The Justice League feels like a team of Thors on steroids--not a good movie concept to build on--ESPECIALLY with THESE people at the helm of the movies.

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I'm sorry but can never bring myself to ever liking the MCU for one reason " The X-Men" or more specifically two X-MEN characters Rogue and Wolverine...I absolutely despise both those characters equally with every fiber of my being mostly for the way they treat Gambit, the only Marvel character that I actually like.

In the comics "Rogue" the mutant parasite abandoned Gambit in the frozen waste lands of Antarctica cause in the pat he unknowingly lead a band of murderous mutants into the sewers to sluter several Morlocks on the orders of Mr. Sinister, of course Gambit was unaware of Mr. Sinister's true intentions until it was already happening and he even tried his best to save the Morlocks once he realized what was happening and almost got killed in the process. After all that he still winds up getting abandoned in Antarctica by the woman who supposedly loved him, and what makes this even worse is that Rogue herself has committed atrocities just has bad if not worse than anything Gambit has done yet she seems to get away with everything... and that pretty much sums up a little bit as to why I absolutely despise Rogue so much, as for why I hate Wolverine as well I think it's because he's usually pretty close to Rogue in the movies and the animated series mostly because their so much alike, I guess that's my reason for hating Wolverine, that and the fact that he's a murdering sociopath.
And there you have it, these two characters have tainted the Marvel universe so much for me that I could never ever support Marvel and I pretty much avoid it like the plague and only support the DCU mostly out of respect for all the amazing comic books and animated series like Batman, Superman, Justice League, and Batman Beyond that DC has delivered.


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Sorry to break this to you, but the X-Men (including Rogue, Wolverine and Gambit) has nothing to do with the MCU.

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NOW it feels like IMDB--those guys used to mention X-Men all the time when bashing the MCU if you remember.

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Oh yes, but here we got the imbd DC bench team. These are amateur DC Zealots.

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Yeah, this bench team is putting me to sleep. We need a DeniseRenyolds type in here.

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X-Men movies are not part of the MCU. MCU started with Iron Man.

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*Sigh* You guys always go for The X-Men as a way to try to defend the DCCU.

The X-Men series of movies are not a part of the MCU. Try again.

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Why could people mixed up Fox X-Men movies with WB DCU I don't understand. They are clearly came from different studios.

Next, someone will mistakenly confuse MCU Quicksilver with X-Men Quicksilver, etc. Chaos!

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Next, someone will mistakenly confuse MCU Quicksilver with X-Men Quicksilver, etc. Chaos!


Lol! Yeah, that would likely happen!



And the only Spider-Man that is technically canon to the MCU is the Homecoming version.

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When push comes to shove, the DCEU do seem to excel the most with Wonder Woman at the moment. So standalone movies with little to no Snyder or WB intervention could be their strong suit. I'm still (cautiously) a bit optimistic with how they might handle Aquaman, Batman, and some of their other standalone DCEU movies next.

The problem I've been sensing from this is how much they rush too soon to create several crossover and team-up movies, just to play catch up with the MCU, and it shows. Batfleck could've started off with his own solo movie first prior to BvS just to establish his character a little better in the DCEU. WB should've let Snyder go on with developing MoS 2 before suddenly converting that idea into a disjointedly last-minute 'BvS plus pre-JL' movie (I do believe a MoS sequel is still happening). SS probably wouldn't become what it is from several rewrites and reshoots due to the outcome of BvS... and who knows what David Ayer's true version could've looked like? Ayer is not much of a bad director himself. But I digress on that one a bit.

As a fan, I really do like to see WB get their act back together soon with this universe too. They're not very much off to an impressive start, but maybe there can still start building more room for improvement?

(Plus I kind of recognized that username somewhere before with the Mario avatar too.)

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