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This movie makes a powerful statement against size prejudice


I think this movie sends a strong message, about how society's obsession with how women should be thin and beautiful, can be very damaging to women. Not that most people would do what Caroline did, but how fat prejudice really impacts women to where they can't even exsist without people talking about how gross they are. There needs to be appreciation for all people regardless of size, there is no reason that someone should be shamed and ridiculed to a point of hating themselves. Fat prejudice is not about health, it is only about judgement. Hopefully people will see this movie, and it will get that point across to them.

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DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM.

Yes, it does and I agree with your sentiments about this issue.

However, the real Caroline had more going on than just obsessing about being overweight. She was filled to the brim with hate - hatred for herself, hatered towards her emotionally abusive parents, and her sexually abusive father.

Caroline hated everything about herself and her life.

In a strange way she thought by killing Rachel she could become Rachel and have what she saw as Rachel's perfect life.

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Carolines body was not that bad . I thought she was very voluptuous.

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Certainly 'hating' oneself is not enough of a reason to murder another human being! If all heavy people committed murder because of their inferiority issues, we'd have a pretty sick world!

This girl needed serious help, which she clearly didn't get from her family. The medication didn't help and her family were not even around to monitor if she took her meds on a regular basis OR even saw her psychiatrist!

I also don't agree that her mental issues were just rooted in her being overweight.

She needed to be in a mental hospital. You can't simply assume severely mentally ill people as this woman will simply take their meds daily and everything will be fine. In the US, we have group homes for mentally ill people who have no family. There are professionals there who monitor their behavior. This was not the case for this woman.

A lot of wealthy parents think by setting up their kids in apartments and throwing money at them is parenting, well, it's not. Especially when one of their children is this mentally disturbed.

This woman's parents simply threw her away and her spinning out of control, and committing a violent murder, were the consequences.

I was amazed she was able to keep her job, that sort of behavior in a workplace wouldn't fly in the US. Workers are let go for much less!

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That's a horrible message. I really hope the filmmakers weren't trying to convey that in the film.

Caroline had no right to do what she did. Rachel was completely innocent. She never did anything to harm Caroline. Caroline was just a fat, horrid b*tch who doesn't know how to better herself or deal with her problems in a healthy way. That murder scene was sick and disturbing (as it was meant to be). It showed how demented she was. She didn't show any feelings of regret or have a realization that what she did was wrong. She was a disgusting, miserable *beep*

The most disgusting part of the movie is the end, when we find out that she was only sentenced to twenty years, and is up for parole in two years. How can you let a psycho like her back onto the streets?



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Hey newwavecritic- GREAT POST! I agree with you 100%!

20 years for killing an innocent, beautiful, lovely, human being! How abut the devastation that it caused that family. I would have liked to know what the Barber's thought was about her sentence.

I enjoyed the film but was sick at the lack of justice was for that bastard murderer!




"Hate is baggage. Life's too short to be pissed off all the time."

I agree with your statement and I also think that justice not revenge should have surfaced in this case and that killer should have been put to death!

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newwavecritic, even if the young ballerina Rachel was a horrible human being.....that still wouldn't have justified the clearly insane Caroline taking her life.

The fact that the young woman who was killed was talented, pretty and a good person....of course.... made the viewers hate Caroline even more, because that's how most people view life.

The ugly fat girl hated the pretty talented thin girl. If this wasn't a true story, it could have been a scripted one!

Way too many people see situations as being good or evil, life isn't always so black and white.

The insane Caroline had no right to do anything as vile as she did to Rachel....to ANYONE.

If Rachel had been ugly, ignorant and untalented....would her death have been OK?

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People try actually reading what I put in the post.

I did not say she was overweight I said she thought she was.

I did not say her self-hatred 'excused' her murdering Rachel - saying that is the reason for the murder is not the same as saying that justifies it.


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True, when I saw her naked I thought: "I would tap that, no problem"

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Greatornot: Are you confusing the actress with the person who murdered a 15 y/o?

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I don't believe the sexual abuse by the father was ever proven or believed for that matter.

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Her actions had NOTHING to do with her size or size prejudice. It had everything to do with the fact that she was seriously disturbed. She hated herself, her life, everything. She wrote tons of disturbing letters, and her parents did nothing about it.

Anyway, no. You can't blame this on her size.

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Did we watch the same movie scorp123-1?

Actually she DID hate herself because of her size and her general unpolished sloppy appearance,

It was very clear in the film that her appearance was another aspect which caused her downward spiral. She was clearly NOT happy with her overall appearance.

Did you miss the scene where her father came to visit her, she then had a meltdown....she stripped down to her panties while ranting and raving how ugly she was and how she hated herself?!!

Her hate for her appearance was simply one of the many factors contributing to her mental illness.

It was very clear that her appearance caused a lot of her self loathing and it was one of the reasons she committed the murder. It was a point which was a constant throughout the entire film and it was very obvious.

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Yes, we saw the same movie, but apparently came to different conclusions. Yes, she hated herself because of her size/appearance. But that was only SECONDARY to the excruciating longing for her father's love, affection, and approval. I could even make a case that she committed the murder as a last ditch delusional attempt to be acceptable to her father.

She came to the conclusion that the only reason her parents, but particularly her dad "hated" her so much, is because of her appearance. Had her father been a very loving and caring father, she may have had a chance. Again, consider all the disturbing letters she'd written. That was a clear sign of someone screaming for help.

As I said, I completely disagree that her size or society's view on size had anything to do with the murder. Had she been thin/beautiful with no affection from her dad, she would have found another reason to explain the lack of parental love.

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Have to agree that her physical appearence was symptomatic of her disturbed mental condition, not the other way around. If you noticed during the scene in her house, all her siblings, who seemed to be quite "normal" shrank back in fear of her each time she passed.

This was a deeply disturbed woman whose severe mental illness was most likely something she was born with, not as a result of anything in her environment. The real criminals in the film, however, were all the people in her life who took no proactive action to intervene and either get to the bottom of her issues, or remove her from society. Her father tried to medicate her, "hide" her in a grubby apartment off the beaten path, and generally viewed her as a nuisance and embarassment. Her mother wrung her hands about what a horrible mess her daughter was (even remarking that as a baby she was "difficult"), but again, did nothing proactive to deal with the actual issue. Same with her co-workers, boss, and even Guy Pearce and Miranda Otto, who surely must have seen signs that this girl was crazy with all the time she spent at their house with their kids.

To me, the film is really about how people stick their heads in the sand at the first sign of trouble, hoping it will just "go away," instead of dealing with the trouble head-on. Then when that trouble finds them, it's too late.

Just my two cents.

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i don't think it's fair to say that rachel's parents were responsible for observing caroline's mental well-being. it seems to me that caroline was smart enough to function somewhat "normally" in public and around certain people. however, even if she had exhibited some signs of her psychosis around the barbers, they would be totally out of line trying to intervene, as they were not her parents. not to mention, they had their own children to worry about.

i also want to point out that it was 4yrs earlier when caroline babysat for them, so she may not have been quite as progressed in her mental illness when they were around her. i'm not sure how long they even lived across from caroline's family, but i know they moved away some time before the murder happened. if they only lived by caroline's family for a few yrs, they may not have been around her often or long enough for them to really get a good idea of how disturbed she was, especially if she hid it around certain people.

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Err actually, that 'grubby apartment' is actually pretty prime real estate. A lot of the apartment blocks around Prahran look like that. She was a couple of blocks from Chapel and just off High and Williams. That's actually a pretty good area in a central location.

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Once again: Her hate for her appearance was simply one of the MANY FACTORS contributing to her mental illness.

I know many people who came from dysfunctional families.....where they were either ignored by wealthy parents whose idea of 'parenting' was simply throwing money at them...for apartments, trips to Europe, basically anything to keep their adult children out of their lives.

The others were from middle class families where their parents were too busing working hard to pay the bills to give as much care to their children as they should have. In both these instances, all these people became productive members of society despite the dysfunctionality in their upbringings.

Sometimes is doesn't matter how much children beg for their parents love or attention, in many cases it's never going to be there. To this day, I know many people, who as adults, with their own families, are still looking/longing for parental approval. Sometimes you simply have to let it go and simply get on with your own life.

Not all children from dysfunctional backgrounds grow up to be psychotic or sociopathic killers.

It appears this woman was born with this mental illness.

Her hate for her appearance was simply another aspect which contributed to her mental illness, as did the lack of parental interest and love. The seeds of her illness seemed to be there from birth.

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From what I've heard about Australia, I'm surprised she wasn't deported for being too fat! Seriously, Australia is known for not letting you even visit their country if you are considered "fat". I didn't think Caroline was anthing except a little chunky; baby fat that would go away on it's own as she matures. She was not "ugly" either, and no acne that I could see, I think she just had a real bad opinion of herself for no real reason. I think she was shy for no reason, if she had smiled more and talked to people more, she would have been popular.


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From what I've heard about Australia, I'm surprised she wasn't deported for being too fat! Seriously, Australia is known for not letting you even visit their country if you are considered "fat". I didn't think Caroline was anthing except a little chunky; baby fat that would go away on it's own as she matures. She was not "ugly" either, and no acne that I could see, I think she just had a real bad opinion of herself for no real reason. I think she was shy for no reason, if she had smiled more and talked to people more, she would have been popular.


WTH are you getting your information from???

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i think caroline's issues went a lot deeper than just being damaged due to size prejudice. she hated everything about herself and her life, which was caused by a number of factors: mental illness, her home life, being bullied at school, etc. i believe her mental illness was the biggest factor, though. sadly, it doesn't seem that the victim was even one the people who bullied caroline, so i don't think her actions were ultimately a result of size prejudice. besides, caroline hated more about herself than just her weight.

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I thought the movie would give political ammuniton to femminism. Thre are plenty of overweight women who are pretty happy. If society didn't put a big emphasis on female beauty, there would be something else emotinally disturbed people would become obseesed and violent about. Just as poor and unsuccessful people have low self image comapred to rich people. The problem isn'tm the fact society appriciates beautiful women (or sucessful and intelligent people), but how it negatively discriminates unatractive and other people with not so good qualities, and that is NOT innevitable but cultural. The main cause of this i think is the competitive nature of the social system, not human nature. Finding beautiful women attractive on the other hand is.

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If Caroline was unhappy in herself why didn't she just make a few adjustments instead of killing an innocent teenager? Because she's mentally disturbed and didn't want to better herself she wanted to thrive on hate and take away Rachel's happiness instead of fixing her sh!!tty little life.

I have no sympathy for people like that, instead of changing themselves when they are unhappy with how they are, they have to try to bring everyone else down to their level, in their warped little minds this means they have equality. It's pitiful.


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You need some help. As mentally ill as she was, she couldn't change. And she said several times that she wanted to and would try, but as another person stated, you cannot change your personality. You can't change a mental illness. Stop being a troll. I have no sympathy for people like that. It's pitiful.

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Agree with the comments on here that it was her mental illness (or, more correctly ‘illnesses’) that was the cause, and not the effect.

I would say that she suffers from more than one personality disorder.

Many personality disorders are extremely difficult to treat, even with the best of care, and they are called 'personality' disorders for a reason -- one doesn't change one's 'personality'; the traits are fairly fixed.

Personality disorders can't be 'cured', and are at best ‘managed’.

As portrayed in the film, Caroline seemed to suffer a form of body dysmorphia (which is all about one's perception of oneself; a person with this disorder can be extremely attractive, but still perceive themselves as somehow ugly or malformed); borderline disorder (the real Caroline did engage in self-mutilation when initially jailed – many folks with borderline disorder are ‘cutters’); anti-social disorder (and probably conduct disordered as a child – for example, the real Caroline admitted to her attorney that she frequently stole as a child, but didn’t know why she did), and paranoid.

Also as portrayed in the film, she exhibited extreme rapid cycling of moods, ranging from screaming me-me's to almost manic euphoria, sometimes within minutes.

I don't know if any of us know much about her parents, but parents aren't perfect, and trying to raise a child suffering from a basket of personality disorders like these could be daunting. One poster asked why didn’t they put her away – well, I don’t know about Australia, but you just can’t go around committing children in the USA. Then, as an adult, the real Caroline was known to function well at work and was able to live on her own, so her parents probably thought that she had grown out of the worst of it, at least enough to function reasonably well on her own.

Also, you may be able to alleviate some of the anxiety/depression that can accompany a personality disorder, but you can't 'med away' a personality disorder. You also can't 'talk a person out of the kind of obsessive beliefs she seemed to possess – research has shown that there is little to no benefit for many personality disorders from the jewel of ‘talk’ therapy -- cognitive behavior therapy.

Caroline undoubtedly was in the throes of puberty when she started obsessing about Rachel (the judge thought she had started at least as far back as around 15 years old – the same age Rachel was when she killed her), and it also was around this age when she reportedly was at the height of her difficulties at school.

All of this is not to minimize the horrible effects of prejudiced lookism, which can be devastating even to the most emotionally healthy individual. And, calling someone ‘fat’ seems to be one of those lingering discriminatory terms that society just can’t shake, despite the fact that we are born with different body types which has nothing to do with willpower or laziness or any of those other pejoratives that some folks like to toss around, and research is showing that some folks who are naturally ‘obese’ (I use the term ‘obese’ very liberally, as the definition for what constitutes ‘obese’ keeps shifting) can be just as healthy, some healthier, than their more slim counterparts.

Bullying a child/teen can certainly take a toll.

However, we don’t know how much abuse Caroline suffered from peers because of her ‘odd’ behavior and lack of social skills (again, this is not to excuse abuse or bullying, but we also have to remember that most kids who engage in that behavior are immature children themselves), which further alienated her and helped to reinforce a distorted perception she already had of herself.
And, even given that she was abused/bullied and had an extremely low opinion of herself, whether perceived or real, without the forms of mental illness she apparently suffered (and, IMHO, will continue to suffer for the rest of her life), there would not have been this calculated, cold, envy-driven murder against such an innocent young victim.

I think Caroline’s constellation of mental illnesses is more the exception than the rule – a rarity that her parents, her schoolmates, Rachel and her family, and society at large could not be equipped to handle or could foretell what would eventually result from it.

Unfortunately, it was one of those perfect storms in whose path Rachel unwittingly found herself.

And, I believe that Caroline will continue to be dangerous without very strict monitoring.


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I kind of agree with the OP, to an extent. Here's why:

1. She was constantly mentioning in her letters to Dad that she was being bullied at school and never wanted to go back.
2. When they interviewed that one blonde friend of Rachel's, her first comments were on how "horrid" looking and "fat" the girl she was seen with last, and "definitely not a dancer."
3. Her own "friends"/coworkers took pride in borrowing money from her then bragging about how they "swindled her good."

If she was an average weight for her age (at least in an Australian society where good looks are valued perhaps more than even in America- a real life example being that my "stepdaughter" works as a bartender over there and got her visa without any skills or even a GED but, she IS skinny, and that's about the only thing going for her, as she literally reads and writes at a third-grade level to this day...) also one of the most promiscuous countries aside from Sweden... I have doubts that Caroline's peers and perhaps even her family would have treated her so atrociously. Maybe she DOES have a PD, or two, or three. But it is a cruel world for an overweight girl, and if she could have just learned to exercise "away" that anger (it DOES work!), maybe this atrocity would have never happened, who knows.

She was definitely dealt a bad hand in life though, starting with her loveless parents- there's no denying that one!



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The real girl wasn't really that overweight. She might not have been skinny, but she was a pretty average size from what I can see in photos. She also wasn't unattractive facially. I have to agree with others that body dysmorphia(sp) was probably one of the disorders she suffered from.
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This was the LAST point this film was about. Good Lord, if that's the only thing you took away from this... SMFH


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