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Are convicted felons allowed.....


.....to carry knives on them? It seems like Jax is always carrying a fixed blade knife on his belt. I'm not certain it would be legal for a non-felon to carry a knife like that.






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I think, outside UK, carrying a knife is just normal. In America, you can carry a gun too.

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Laws vary from state to state. Where I live it's legal to open carry a gun. I have a concealed carry permit to carry a gun. But I'm not a convicted felon. I don't think it would be legal for Jax and the others to carry a knife.





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I noticed that hanging on his belt, and wondered, even regardless of being a felon, he is not out in forest hunting , so brandishing that around the streets seems an odd look..

the funny thing is, you watch "COPS", or our shows here equivalent to that, if they stop some guy in his car and find a knife or machete under or beside his seat, they break his balls about it..

but he walks around doing his wigger walk what that hanging from his belt like Arthur's Excalibur, and apparently , it's not a problem.

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In Charming, they owned the cops. They closed eyes to murder, who'd bother about knives? Its not that the guys were cruising around NYC. But funny enough, they wore their helmets very obediently :D

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But funny enough, they wore their helmets very obediently


I think that was more about the show wanted to promote safety among the audience. If they had showed them without helmets, people in real life would copy that because they wouldnt want to look lame. It sounds stupid, but I guarantee its true.

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Or maybe safety of actors? Remember the Irish episodes? They wore EU standard helmets

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Or maybe safety of actors? Remember the Irish episodes? They wore EU standard helmets

Yeah, but honestly I figured they did that because they didn't fly the actors to Ireland. When they showed faces it was filmed in California. When they needed to show the club riding through Ireland I figured they hired a bunch of people in Ireland for the establishing shots and made sure we could never see faces.

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yes...lame but effective EU helmets.

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The helmet wearing had nothing to do with upholding or breaking the law. Maybe they had enough common sense to know what could happen if they didn't wear them?

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Lol! Given their lifestyle and 'occupation' they sure gave a lot of thought about health&safety

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Lol! Given their lifestyle and 'occupation' they sure gave a lot of thought about health&safety


it's kind of like guys who were war combat veterans who flew airplanes in combat..

then felt and looked silly when they came home then tripped over a gutter and wound up in the ICU with a fractured skull..

it's the same with clothes...anyone in their right minds who cared about safety would never ride around in black leather or black anything...ok, the leather or kevlar is great maybe even essential for abrasion protection...but to be safe you would wear bright coloured leather, or a high-viz vest or jacket over it..

and look like a complete fking dork, obviously..

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Leather is actually for better protection. Wearing denim means very little protection. However, fashions and styles came first, only later the concerns for safety. Othewise they'd all wear fluorescent gore-tex

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The helmet wearing had nothing to do with upholding or breaking the law. Maybe they had enough common sense to know what could happen if they didn't wear them

Yeah, but they were all wearing brain buckets, which aren't the best protection.

I figured, liked someone else said, they didn't want the show to be accused of encouraging people to ride without helmets, but they wanted to show as much of the actors faces as possible.

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But funny enough, they wore their helmets very obediently :D
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they do..but they are those cool little WW2 tank biker helmets..not Shoei full-facers or anything like that..in an actual motorcycle wreck they are probably of little actual protection compared to an uncool helmet...
I'm looking out for one of those SOA style helmets, gonna wear it on my bicycle..I checked a couple going cheap at the lfeamarket, but they were not good-fitting and comfortable..

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They're very simple braincaps, nothing to do with WW2.

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well, maybe not those things, but originally bikers did start wearing surplus WW2 US tank helmets, which I think might have morphed into those things they wear now..I figure I can sort of see lineage to those things we see now.

The WW2 tank helmets were likewise cool-looking brain-caps, with not great protection for a motorcycle..but they looked good, and they fulfilled the legal requirement..they became a kind of uniform item in themselves..

those things now looked like they are influenced by those tank helmets, with hints of early WW1 German helmets..all of those military style themes, including WW2 german obviously, tended to be embraced by bikers.

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The WW2 tank helmets were reinforced canvas if I remember right. No real protection at all. I bought a Russian one at a flea market (in Moscow) but I gave it away as a gift.

I don't remember seeing a lot of bikers wearing those, but I do remember seeing some wearing the old German coal scuttle helmets.

If you want a helmet like that to wear on your bicycle, Google "brain bucket". (I have never heard them called braincaps. I'm not saying they aren't, just that I haven't heard it. But I am not cool - you can ask my kids.)

There are even some coal scuttle themed helmets there.

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War helmets are supposed to protect your head from a stray bullet or shrapnel, not a traffic collision.
As for cool, there are plenty of imitation ones.

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War helmets are supposed to protect your head from a stray bullet or shrapnel, not a traffic collision.

True. That's one reason they just sit on your head and don't fit snugly like a real motorcycle helmet.

But I think the tanker helmets were mostly intended to prevent you from knocking your head on all the steel you were inside of. The steel itself was supposed to stop the bullets.

And I was wrong. Tanker helmets weren't canvas. At least the US ones didn't seem to be.

Maybe I was thinking of aviation helmets.

I remember when we were kids and played "war" we had "helmets" from the Army Surplus store. All they really were were the helmet liners, not the steel pots. We didn't know any better.

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But I think the tanker helmets were mostly intended to prevent you from knocking your head on all the steel you were inside of.


that is the precise purpose of them, it is not an actual shrapnel helmet or something like the infantry one is...and you can go from the US army tank model I'm talking about, to the Soviet tank helmet...it is these leather bars or something, roughly recalls a very retro American football helmet..

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ok, last night, I actually found myself watching 'Fury" rerun...I paid attention to their headgear..


they were the EXACT things I was talking about, like, a roller-derby helmet with bowling-ball holes in top of it ...the difference or addition was, that as worn in this movie , the basic helmet which appears made out of black bekelite/plastic or it could be metal, I dunno, but it has quite long leather or canvas bits on side hanging down over ears...but they appear quite separate to main dome of helmet..no doubt there are stills of them somewhere on google.

What I would think, is that the side bits either unclip on popstuds or something...or obviously could be cut off..

because the basic main top part of it, is exactly what I was talking about, and 100% exactly what I used to see bikers here and I'm pretty sure USA too, wearing on runs in 70s/80s/early 90s..

Now, the only reason I even knew that the things I was seeing were alleged WW2 US tank helmets, was that they were referred to in biker mags at the time, Easyriders, In the Wind, Iron Horse,, all this stuff, US and our editions, as WW2 surplus tank helmets...I think there may even have been picture ads in the classifieds of the mag selling them...either originals, or repros..

these things they are wearing now...browsing through ebay search 'biker helmet", I found repro WW2 German despatch rider helmets, black leather or leather covered ...you look at those, maybe those are the inspiration for these SOA style ones..there is a resemblance..

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these are the things I was talking about re, the Ww2 tanks and bikers..

apparently called an M38 tank helmet/headgear..

http://cdn1.ima-usa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/88decfed4fba5801a7dc8e03047eb978/o/n/on3302__2.jpg

sans the straps on side...and ones I saw were always black,usually gloss black, probably painted black..

now these are repro WW2 German sidecar and despatch motorcycle helmets..
http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB13.lgIXXXXXXaXFXXq6xXFXXXJ/Casque-moto-Biker-WWII-Style-DOT-Black-Leather-German-Motorcycle-HALF-Helmet-w-Pilot-Goggles-Free.jpg


pretty cool as well, really, not as ostentatious as an actual German infantry helmet that some Erich von Zipper influenced 60s bikers showed up in..

would not surprise me they influenced the SOA style things we see used now..

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oh, I found one exact thing on local ebay, reasonably priced, but MFer wants double or triple what it would actually cost to post it, so, I'm not gonna buy into that take-down..

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yeah, the older soviet one was completely different look to the US one...I likened them to very retro football helmets, but someone has likened to to laCrosse helmets, probably a better simile..

the thing about it being for protecting you from bashing your skull into things in a tank interior, id definitely the main idea, and logical.. you could easily injure yourself to a fatal extend even just by head-bashing things like the gun breach, especially in the incredible stress inside one in battle, with everyone toiling in there like maniacs..

once something penetrates the tank from the outside and starts richochetting around in there..a 2pound or 6-pound AT projectile, for example, bouncing around supersonic....your M38 helmet is now about as much protection from that shyt as a parasol in a hurricane..

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In most states, there is no law against a felon carrying a knife. Knives with fixed blades are usually legal to carry, even open like you see on the show. It's carrying knives that have a retractable or hidden blade that there are laws against. In a lot of states, the blade of a retractable/hidden knife can't be larger than a few inches. Most people measure them to the palm of their hand...if it's not longer than one side of your palm to the other, it's typically legal.

As for the wearing of helmets that others have mentioned, it's not just a safety issue. Many outlaw clubs follow these types of laws for one reason...less hassle. Why draw attention to yourself by not wearing a helmet in a state that requires you to wear one? You are giving the police an actual, viable reason to pull you over. And if you are illegally carrying a concealed weapon, narcotics, or whatever it may be, you're not putting yourself at more risk to be found with it. So by wearing the helmet, they are actually snubbing law enforcement, taking away one legal reason to be pulled over.

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So by wearing the helmet, they are actually snubbing law enforcement, taking away one legal reason to be pulled over.

Yes.

Some guys conceal the helmet. They will wear the bare minimum-sized helmet and cover it with long hair. It's like giving a big middle finger to helmet laws.

I would not advise this as it gives a police officer a reason to pull you over.

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Exactly. They wear the minimally legal helmet, so they don't get stopped and hassled.

No idea about California, but most places that I know, a sheath knife isn't a problem.

That said, Jax rarely used that knife, except when removing a patch. I'd have thought it to be more of a pain and cumbersome. A nice pocket knife does the trick more often than not.

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