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More overrated trollop.


So, so cliché laden. Not scary, but all rather silly. It's rare we, as an audience, get good, decent stories anymore. You see, Paranormal Activity was clever, original and genuinely scary. That's my opinion.

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Paranormal Activity was overhyped AND cliche laden.

Once you got into your mind that PA is not a real "found footage" film, it is hardly scary.

but the sneaky bastard Esther trumps PA hands down.

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Speak for yourself. PA movies are low budget crap that only scare those afraid of sudden sound effects. Jump scares don't do it for me, so I find nothing scary about crappy found footage or broadcast films like the PA franchise. Blair Witch is to blame for the decline in horror movies these days, you film nothing and claim its real, throw in some sound effects and idiots flock to see it because the only real money spent on the film is in advertising, conning people into seeing it.

At least the good news is Friday The 13th has realized no true horror/suspence fan wants this low budget found footage crap, and have actually given a decent budget to the next film.

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I like both Paranormal Activity (together with most of its sequels, although the latest one was a real step down) & Orphan, finding them effectively creepy & scary. They're just two different styles of horror; I wouldn't necessarily call one much better than the other.

Actually, this was my reaction to Orphan (spoilers, obviously):

It's a very good horror film.
I also noticed that this movie (which I found terrific and scary, though infuriating) was quite similar to The Ring (which is the scariest film I've ever seen. I first saw it with a friend in his basement, and though the befuddling mystery is gone on subsequent viewings, the extreme eeriness and tension never dissipates.) I quite liked most of the Paranormal Activities, too, 'specially the first. Anyway, official spoiler alert!

Basically, Esther/Leena was "natural evil" while Samara was supernatural evil.
You had the evil, mysterious adopted girl who tormented her new family, creates super-creepy pictures/images, killed a number of people, and generally caused major problems and havoc...the main mom/wife character starts unraveling the mystery surrounding her...she and the innocent child[ren] survive, but the dad character is killed by the evil girl while the mom is speeding toward him in a car, unable to get him on the phone.

Frankly, he got what was coming to him for being so blind the whole time. Kate's past alcoholism and the pond incident didn't help her any, but still, she was connecting the dots and trying to keep them all safe while he insisted on remaining an excuse-making fool. It took him being hit on by his new "nine-year-old" daughter and then finding her walls full of ultra-violent, incriminating drawings in some kind of awesomely cool fluorescent/blacklight paint (where can I get me some of that stuff?!), to realize that Kate had been right all along. And oh, poor little Max and Daniel, wanting to stop her reign of terror but being threatened at every turn. How was Kate the only adult who could see what she was--a cold-blooded killer right under their noses? (Don't even let me get started on the rancid Dr. Browning.)

The part that ticked me off the most was Kate taking the gun from unconscious Leena and just stuffing it in her pants. Of course, having the common sense to finish her off then and there would've prevented the whole ice fight and great "I'm not your f$%^ing mommy!" bit, so, yeah. Guess it was necessary from a scriptwriting point of view. But, wow, was Leena one horrifying character. I read that she was initially supposed to have some tragic backstory, which could make sense for someone with her condition, but I reckon that must've been omitted because it might have been too confusing and conflicting to be asked to feel any sympathy in the face of everything she did. Man, she was just portrayed as the most demonic, sadistic, monstrous, diabolical kind of being imaginable. So many times I wanted Kate or somebody to kill her before it finally happened. At best she was ill in the worst way, incapable of empathy, and needed to be locked up tight forever to prevent further maimings, murders, and destroyed lives.

It didn't come across in the film AT ALL that Esther was simply desperate for love and would suffer some "breaks with reality" during which she'd flip and start killing anyone she felt like. She was played as someone deliberately committing a long series of cruel, sadistic, psychopathic acts in full consciousness. They could've spun it the former way and I might have felt differently about her, but as it is? Other than to concede that she was dealt a rough hand and had terrible childhood experiences which no one should ever have to endure, there's no way I can possibly begin to defend 95% of what she did.

Wikipedia lists six other similar films (The Bad Seed, The Hand That Rocks the Cradle, The Good Son--all of which I remember seeing and liking; Case 39, Murderer, and Mikey.) Oh, and on another note, I thought the family's house was really cool.



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Pop, aside from being wrong that the antogonist was just evil or that the father deserved to die for loving her, you probably shouldn't outline the entire plot and spoilers here.

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Disagree, but will add in a spoiler warning if I'd overlooked that...

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Thank ya.

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Completely agree. Very poorly written, and full of cliques. Almost all of the characters were paper thin. Definitely not worthy of 7.0 on imdb. 5.5 would be more fitting.

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I think OP meant "tripe". (A "trollop" is a lady of loose moral character.)

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It's hard to tell if you're being serious. The Paranormal Activity comment makes it seem like you're full of *beep*

Also 'trollop' is not the word you're looking for.

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From Oxford:

trollop

noun
humorous, dated

A sexually disreputable or promiscuous woman.


From Wiktionary:

Noun

trollop ‎(plural trollops)

1. A woman held by others as retaining a vulgar and discourteous disposition.
2. (derogatory) A strumpet; a whore.




...Did you mean "tripe?"

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Whoops lol.

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Paranormal Activity is garbage and so are all of its spinoffs.

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theres only one movie with same context and was created almost at the same time as esther
so whats cliche about it?
plus...PA? really? PA scary? 

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