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Israel

posted 14 years ago by Katz5
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How did this movie get away with not mentioning Israel once?
Israel was not even identified on the big map of the Middle East in the "war room," where Bush and the Israel loyalist Neocons plotted the Iraq invasion.

In one scene, Dreyfuss (as Cheney) explains the "vision" of the Neocons - control the oil in all of the nations currently viewed as hostile, and thus "controlling the world." And he points to Israel, which is NOT identified on the big map, as where the oil "will be pumped through." That is the Neocon vision. Have America invade Iraq, Iran, Syria and occupy all of those nations (and "never leave," which is what Cheney says in the film and what he's said in real life). Pump the oil through Israel and have Israel sell it to the United States. Only those pesky militant Muslims in the way.......

I read a few years ago that Israel was the "White elephant in the room" when the war was blueprinted - no one mentioned it, or stood up to the dual citizenship loyalty of people like Wolfowitz, or the "Think Tanks" accountable to no American voter, which pushed for the war against the sovereign nation that never attacked the U.S. (Think Tanks like PNAC, made up of other Israel-Before-America people like Bill Kristol and Richard Perle). For so much influence, you'd think Stone would have included some references. But then I supposed he would be tagged an as "anti Semite." Apparently telling the truth now makes you an anti Semite in this country.

(I posted similar comments about Israel on other movie boards, like "Green Zone," and they were removed by the website administrator, which also proves that you can't even question this omission in a movie - I hope these comments do not get censored).

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[–] mazaltov18 14 years ago

What are you saying ????????
you are a moron

[–] Katz5 14 years ago

A retort direct from Tel Aviv. Thank you for confirming what I inferred in my post. You can't even question the omission of a nation that is one of the roots of the problems in the mid east without being slapped with a label.

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[–] dammacco 14 years ago

You have to question it anyway, otherwise nothing will change. You were right to do so.

[–] I_Aint_No_Prophet 14 years ago

That person obviously doesn't seem to understand the concept to which you are referring. You do raise an interesting point. Stone could possibly be a Zionist, which would explain his reluctance to include Israel in the film. As for being anti-Semitic... seeing as how all descendents of Shem are Semites, Arabs are also Semites, so anti-Semitism reaches far beyond anti-Jewish sentiments. Also, maybe the person that deleted your previous comments is sympathetic toward Wolfowitz and his ilk, but antagonistic toward Obama's cabinet members that have dual-citizenship (like Rahm Emanuel), so they might've decided that it was no longer offensive. Ah, the wonders of the double-standard.

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[–] jogocar 12 years ago

Great points. I like how you did not use the term "jews" to describe the ne'er -do -wells in your post. They are anything but religious. "Zionists" is a great word to use to describe these scumbags.

[–] filmfanaticNorCal 9 years ago

Israel did not officially support or take part in the Iraq war. According to former State Department official Lawrence Wilkerson, and former CIA agent and Iran expert Robert Baer Israeli officials warned the Bush administration against invading Iraq, saying that it would destabilize the region and empower the much more dangerous regime in Iran....Israeli officials did not push their American counterparts to initiate the war in Iraq. In an interview with Ynet, Feith stated that "what you heard from the Israelis was not any kind of advocacy of war with Iraq" and that "[w]hat you heard from Israeli officials in private discussions was that they were not really focused on Iraq... [t]hey were much more focused on Iran....In January 2007, the Forward reported that sometime before March 2003, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Bush that Israel "would not push one way or the other" for or against an Iraq war. Sharon said that he believed that Iraq was a genuine threat to the Middle East and that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but explicitly warned Bush that if the US did go to war with Iraq that he should make sure to formulate a viable exit strategy, prepare a counterinsurgency strategy, and should not attempt to impose democracy in the Middle East. Wikipedia

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