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What could have made "The Irishman" a really good and classic movie ....

posted 5 years ago by brux (14666)
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This movie was to a certain extent a national event. After all Martin Scorsese, like Woody Allen, and some others are national treasures
and it is not everyday that one of our national treasures puts out a
virtually free movie that all Americans can see and dicussion.

This could have been a really good movie if they had just shifted the
plot and conflict to be more about Hoffa and who he was, and less
about the lying scumbag no one can trust, Frank Sheeran.

Since the framework of the story was mostly based on a bullshit
from Frank, who is the book written about him seems to be all
about trying to take credit for every big Mafia crime or hit, it
seems like it would have been better to contrast the soul and
crimes of Frank Sheeran with the soul and crimes of Jimmy Hoffa.
Hoffa was no saint, and consorted with and ultimately got run
over by the mob by using them to stand up to the 0.01% who
were beating up. ripping off, stealing from the middle class of
America. What else could he do? ... or we never would have
heard of him or the Teamsters.

I don't think the writers of this movie were skilled enough to
tell that story, so they just re-did Casino and Goodfellas.

America was traumatized by the assassinations of the 60's
and 70's and as we can all see from the path of the country,
the bad guys won. They took over the unions, screwed over
the middle class, took their money, made them pay the taxes
for the rich, made then fight their evil wars, and bought up
the media and the news, bought up the military contractors,
bought up the drug and pharma, and now we are all paying
for it ... and dying for it, thanks to stupid sell-out, scumbags,
creeps like Frank Sheeran, the Mafia, etc.

In fact you can really say pretty categorically that this was
a crappy film because it was situated so close to the rudders
and currents of American history - and yet missed the whole
point to pander to a stupid, unvetted story about what happened
to Jimmy Hoffa?

[–] Stratego (29606) 5 years ago

"This could have been a really good movie if they had just shifted the
plot and conflict to be more about Hoffa and who he was, and less
about the lying scumbag no one can trust, Frank Sheeran."

I haven't seen the movie yet, but when I found out what the story was, I thought the same thing. It's not that Sheeran is a totally uninteresting character, but everything he said should be taken with a grain of salt. Hoffa's story is more interesting because of all the different facets it covers.

EDIT: Freaking hell, I just realized I responded to freaking brux!🤢🤮

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

They already did a Hoffa biopic.

[–] Stratego (29606) 5 years ago

The OP is referring to something a bit different than just a Hoffa biopic.

Only just now did I see the OP is brux. I can't defend their "opinion", you can guarantee there's a political agenda.😑

[–] Bazzz (59) 5 years ago

I think The Irishman is a good and classic film, possibly Scorsese's best.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I think you might be overlooking Scorsese's overlying theme of the film - that it is a study on the length of one's life and what it means to go from being a physically and mentally domineering person and the journey to the end of life, resulting in frailty (morally, spiritually, mentally and physically).

I don't think it was his intention to create a historical film of Hoffa or the Kennedy's, but instead to look at one figure and how a life of what that one person resulted in.

[–] brux (14666) 5 years ago

That could be the point of the movie, but if so - to me it doesn't work. A study based on no real data and lies in the Mafia.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I have to admit - while a big fan of all those involved in this movie - I was underwhelmed by what I watched. I'm going to watch it again, but feel it is vastly overrated.

I thought DeNiro's acting was not much of what we have already seen. Also, while the de-aging process was okay, some physical things just didn't work at all, for example, the beat down of the grocery store owner. That actually looked like a seventy-year-old man beating a much younger man and the final kicks were unintendedly funny to watch.

And as I've stated previously, the movie was just too visually perfect to look at - everything was brand new with aged characters dropped in place.

[–] brux (14666) 5 years ago

I remember thinking while I was watching that fight at the grocery store ... and thinking for just a split second ... it looked a bit staged, or fake, and then never thought about it again until I started to see the meme on the net. Lots of things is great movies or TV look fake. Some of my favorite programs were Star Trek and Outer Limits and a lot of it looked fake and almost laughable - but a good movie makes you suspend your disbelief.

A lot of guys fights are sort of mock battles. Sheeran wanted to put the fear of god into the grocer, not kill him, and the grocer knew that Sheeran was mad and he should not have done, and was trying to apologize, and he needed to pretend he was hurting enough to satisfy Sheeran to stop.

I don't know why so many people repeated that meme about the fight ... it was nothing in my opinion. In reality Sheeran was a big guy ... something like 6'3" ... and anyone that came out you that was that big would not have to work hard to intimidate someone.

Way too much made out of this fight.

[–] Drooch (5333) 5 years ago

The OP has been mindlessly trashing this film with irrational, hostile attacks on it across this board. Either s/he has a bizarre agenda or is a flat out troll.