Why not make those iron man suits for Pentagon?

You could say the same about every single film ever made. They all have plot holes.

I didn't see this as them trying to make a realistic film, more about the message. Why do you think no one noticed him in the Bingo hall?

The suit was a must i guess, imagine what you'd be typing if you went on a rampage in shorts & a shirt. :)

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While I don't totally disagree with you, some points can be argued based on past shooting sprees.

Someone on a rampage this big, the cops would have had a sniper take him out before first 30 mins.

Assuming the local police force has a sniper rifle and a sniper, usually those are found on SWAT teams. But I argued on other threads that small towns usually have their share of hunters and gun enthusiasts, and that someone might have been able to aim a shot to the killers mask. But truth is stanger than fiction.

And around every corner people are JUST realizing and hearing him, what bullets and screams don't go past a single block?

Consider Columbine, the shooters are outside, have killed and injured several people, and people are still walking out the doors, including a teacher who wanted to tell the killers to knock it off because she thought it was a gag or they were filming a skit.

The stupidity that one cop, one brave citizen can't drive a car into this guy and smash every bone in his body BUT we can totally believe that this guy can do all this without being stopped so far into his rampage...I got a couple of bridges to sell ya.

You and I both would think so, but consider what has happened in the past. That spree killer from Korea, Woo Bum-kon, was killing for 8 hours before he finally killed himself. In Columbine, the 2 shooters kill themselves in the library. Meanwhile, several more hours will pass before the police even enter the library. The police are extra cautious because they don't see the big picture. It's comparable to the fog of war. They didn't have snipers there either and those boys wanted to die.

You could also consider the Montreal massacre. A guy walks into a classroom with a loaded mini 14. He commands all the women to go to one side of the room. The room erupts in laughter. They think it's a prank. He shoots up a couple of classrooms. Meanwhile some students start running through the halls trying to warn others of what's happening. A lot of people don't even move or take cover.

Maybe their minds didn't believe what their ears were telling them. Who knows? Many of them just stayed where they were.

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I mean if a broke mechanic could do so much damage with one he made at home, just think what a couple marines could do with them in Afghanistan.

No doubt the US military is probably testing armour plating and bullet resistant materials that are probably a good 20 years ahead of anything you or I know about. And it wouldn't surprise me if there are elite units that train in special body armour suits all the time.

To the best of my knowledge, many marines and soldiers do wear kevlar and body armour, but they understand the limitations. They may provide protection from some small arms fire, pistol rounds, some shrapnel. Apparently type 4 kevlar protects you from a 7.62 round, but if you get hit with one, you will be in a great deal of pain regardless. Bill appears to wear 2 kevlar vests and a whole lot of armour plates. Obviously that is a lot of weight for a soldier in combat to be carrying.

The cost of the bullets, you know how much that many bullets would cost and all the clips he buys, thousands and thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands of dollars

Maybe. My problem here is not the cost but the availability. Apparently the rounds for the H and K are not sold in the US, but I could be wrong. Might have made more sense if he had purchased an AK or an SKS and a crate of those less expensive NATO rounds.

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'The cost of the bullets, you know how much that many bullets would cost and all the clips he buys, thousands and thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands of dollars (trust me, my bro loves'em), guess the writer of this movie doesn't know the definition of poor."

- Tens of thousands of dollars... on bullets!? You're crazy. He had many boxes of 9mm rounds, yes, but... you can get a 100 round box of ammo for $20 at Wal-mart. Just how many bullets do you think this kid bought that you think he spent tens of thousands of dollars on just the bullets!? Let's say it's $100 for 1,000 rounds... You honestly think he bought more than 10,000 rounds!? LOL! Just how many bullets do you think he fired in the movie!?

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There's something that nobody had mentioned on the forums, fire. I dont believe a single person mentioned the use of a molotov cocktail or on a higher level incendiary grenades.

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Just watch it without expecting anything to be true and it'd be better. The suit already gave it's surrealism away, so has the coincidences of there being few cops on the streets, his 40, 50 round mags seemingly holding hundreds of rounds and few cars driving about. It's just not meant to be true, but if you switch your logic off it's quite enjoyable... and even believable.

I believe that while the suit can never exist for several decades to go (it seemingly deflected the bullets, instead of absorbing the impact like present day armour plates) the whole plot was quite believable. I think that given the circumstances, assuming that the town is a very quiet one with low crime rates, maybe, just maybe, most the policemen were in the station on a quiet weekday which he blew up. (can't remember what day it was in the movie, if there was one mentioned at all)

He shot handgun rounds throughout the movie which could be cheap, especially refilled rounds. IIRC when he was loading his mags they were all handgun rounds. Obviously with the armour he had been keeping, he's been saving up for this for a while.

If my theory is true, that it's just a really quiet weekday in a small town or something, there'd be few cars, which seems to be the case in the movie.

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Ugh, soldiers have to be able to travel constantly, and for an indefinite amount of time, as well as be able to maneuver quick and efficiently. As it is they are already hauling an extra 40-90 lbs of equipment.

This body armor would not be practical. It's heavy and hot, maneuverability is limited, and peripheral vision is affected.

Bill Williamson is on a estimated hour long killing spree, completely different set of circumstances. But just as well, in multiple scenes you can see he is tired and out of breath from the heavy black armor.



As for paying for the equipment, well, he could have been saving up for this, or he could just have taken out a loan. Difficult concept for you huh? I'm sorry.

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Believe it or not, most of the weight carried by a soldier is not in their body armor, but in their ammunition, equipment and backpack stores. A typical soldier can end up carrying anywhere between 120 to nearly 200 pounds of stuff on their person, depending on how loaded down they are with crap that they don't need. Only about 25 to 30 pounds of that weight is body armor, and the rest is ammo and equipment.

If you load yourself down with about 60 to 100 pounds of Kevlar trauma plates all over your body and leave little room for ammo or other gear, you can make yourself almost impervious to bullets, at least for a little while. Look at what happened during the North Hollywood Shootout.

In the movie, Bill's wearing a modified Eye Tactical CM120 face mask/goggle system. While it looks intimidating, it's not bullet-resistant. It's made of impact-resistant nylon, so it'll stop a paintball or airsoft round (as it's designed to do), but it won't stop a bullet. There are mandibular protectors/face masks out there that will stop bullets, such as the MTek FAST.

The type of vest that he's wearing is not bullet-resistant (looks like either a Blackhawk Tactical or a cheap knockoff of one), but soft body armor could be worn underneath it if it's sized correctly.

Personally, I rate the protective qualities of Bill's suit at about 3/10 for the job it's trying to do.

First of all, any plan that involves potentially being shot at from all directions at point-blank range is a very bad plan.

Second, if I needed a suit that could hold up to multiple streams of gunfire, I'd take the Raytheon Sarcos XOS 2, put a two-stroke generator/hydraulic pump on it and completely enclose it in 200 pounds of laminated titanium-graphene-polymer composite armor with a kevlar or spectra liner. The helmet would be like a diving helmet; fixed to the chest, but you can move your head around inside it. It would also have a heads-up display linked to a turreted FLIR/zoom optic system on top of the helmet. My weapon of choice would be a .50-cal machine gun (with mitigated recoil, similar to the 12.7mm Kord or the hypothetical Kriss .50) linked to a 500-round ammo pack.

Then, after this million-dollar experiment, I'd ask myself why I didn't go all the way and build a freakin' tank.

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