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The Sewers.

posted 8 years ago by ThulsaDoom88
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Just some idle discussion to liven up the place a bit.

I'm hoping they have the scene between, Bill and his father, were Bill asks about the sewer system. It is sort of implied that Pennywise is responsible for its construction. I like the sort of foreshadowing it has.

Do any of you guys have a subtle scene that's not discussed all that much that you'd love to have included? It would be cool to get some good talk on about the novel, so I encourage us all (even the 'haters') to get some debate on the subject of IT. I'll try and post a good topic up everyday.

~Stop Now Before I Kill You All.A Word To The Wise From Your Friend Pennywise~

[–] cjbark-34442 8 years ago

Tom Grogan beating the *beep* out of Beverly, and later on when she gets away, her friend, Kay. And when Tom finds out where Beverly has fled to (Derry), him making a quest to capture her and do god knows what else. I'm re-reading the book now and haven't got up to this- Does Tom eventually get murdered by Pennywise? I think I remember something that from when I read it years ago.

"That's it. It bit into his arm-pit. Like It wanted to eat him, man. Like It wanted to eat his heart."

[–] ThulsaDoom88 8 years ago

Oh yes! Particularly Kay's beating. He would have killed her if she didn't give in. Thinking about it, she's a great minor character! I didn't blame her one bit for talking. Although, she could've been a bit more wary when it came to Tom. He does have a more of a part to play later on, but since you're re reading and don't remember, I'll not say what becomes of him.

~Stop Now Before I Kill You All.A Word To The Wise From Your Friend Pennywise~

[–] cjbark-34442 8 years ago

Tom Grogan is a disgusting, pig of a man. And I felt Stephen King wrote him as a near perfect sociopath (King has a talent with these things). No, Kay really had no choice but to tell him at the point where he dislocated her shoulder. Yes, if they fit all this in the movie - goodie goodie. And I hope Tom actually does come to a ghastly end by Pennywise (from what I can remember). I also once threaded that Kay should be played by a Jennifer Connelly - I would hate to see her get bashed in that scene, but she is a very integral actress, and I'd think she would shine as Kay. But who would be good to play an ugly Tom Grogan?

"That's it. It bit into his arm-pit. Like It wanted to eat him, man. Like It wanted to eat his heart."

[–] Occult_Detective 8 years ago

Lol I just wanted to ask, is there a reason why we're referring to the character as "Tom Grogan" instead of "Rogan?" I was just wondering if I missed something.

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[–] t3cii-1 8 years ago

I'm hoping they have the scene between, Bill and his father, were Bill asks about the sewer system. It is sort of implied that Pennywise is responsible for its construction

I don't think it is. As far as my reading of the scene, it's just a regular sewer system.

[–] ThulsaDoom88 8 years ago

It's open to interpretation I suppose. There's a few lines that make me think otherwise. When they're talking about how the sewers came to be, Zack tells Bill that no one knows where they go/end or why? There's something about the plans completely disappearing. The way it's written tells me that Pennywise was involved.

~Stop Now Before I Kill You All.A Word To The Wise From Your Friend Pennywise~

[–] Elphie_Tiggular 8 years ago

This bit (for those who are interested):

'But the fellow who bossed those projects got killed in World War II, and about five years later the Water Department found out that the system blueprints were mostly gone. That's about nine pounds of blues that just disappeared sometime between 1937 and 1950. My point is that nobody knows where all the damned sewers and drains go, or why.'

And a few lines later:

'...but the best reason is that you could get lost. It's happened before.'

Lost under Derry. Lost in the sewers. Lost in the dark. There was something so dismal and chilling about the idea that Bill was momentarily silenced. Then he said, 'But haven't they ever suh-suh-hent people down to map -'

'I ought to finish these dowels', Zack said abruptly, turning his back and pulling away. 'Go on in and see what's on TV'.

I was bored...! 😊

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[–] t3cii-1 8 years ago

That's interesting. I remembered the conversation, but not the specifics. So, did Pennywise remove the blue prints? Did someone destroy them? We know that some adults know of It's existence, and there seems to be a code of silence surrounding It, so would there disappearance be part of keeping It's layer a secret?. Now that you mention it, It must have influenced the continuation of the sewers on some level, since they eventually lead to It's layer.

[–] agusmaga93 8 years ago

The great amount of domestic abuse in such a small town like Derry. You can tell that It was so sadistic that It enjoyed seeing people torture each others, even their own children. Bev, Eddie, the Corfcoran children, even Henry were abused, either physically or psychologically by their parents. Even when Bev leaves Derry and marries, it's as if It's willing of making her suffer was the reason of her picking Tom.

[–] t3cii-1 8 years ago

I'm not sure It is sadistic, or is capable of such an emotion. I think It operates on a very base level.

[–] chrisdamato87 8 years ago

The scene with the gum-stick and the body the kid finds with it