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Georgie Porgie Pudding and Pie


Here's just a little bit of musing on some motifs in It that just came to me.

I was driving in my car today, and still had a foam clown nose and vampire teeth on the dash from having seen the movie over the weekend. (lol) The clown nose kept rolling all over the place, so I eventually grabbed it and stuck it on the end of my thumb. It immediately brought to mind the line from "Little Jack Horner", "He stuck in his thumb/and pulled out a plum". However I got it mentally mixed up with Georgie Porgie Pudding and Pie, thinking it was Georgie Porgie who pulled out said plum, seeing as he is preoccupied with confectioney as well. Then I went immediately to Little Miss Muffet - it was a spider that scared her in the rhyme. From there it's not a far leap to Hansel and Gretel, which of course figures into one of the more memorable scenes from the novel amd miniseries, and also centers on the idea of children trying to enjoy sweets, ultimately being deceived to their horror.

Could Stephen King have had a Proustian madeline moment while working on his novel, playing with a costume clown nose? Stick your thumb into the nose and see what you feel lol. The whole foundation of It is right there. It fits perfectly on the end of a thumb, and so echoes of the plum. Anyone else have any thoughts on this stuff?

Here's what I have: The entirety of the story is concerned with archetypes, and in particular archetypes of innocence and corruption/defilement of innocence, and the eternal nature of these archetypes and the point at which one inevitably sieves the other. The title/name "IT" is as purely archetypal of the feared unknown personified as could possibly be. You have the whole gamut of fairy tale and nursery rhyme children, who are all lured in with sweet, appealing bait, which only leads to their near demise and consumption. The appearance of It as the clown is the same thing as Hansel and Gretel's house of candy.

It seems highly likely that the character Georgie's name comes from the Georgie Porgie rhyme, and brings in the motif of the dawn of sexuality and accompanying angst which figures into It so heavily. (Georgie Porgie, pudding and pie, Kissed the girls and made them cry, When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie ran away.) Then, while we're on rhyming confectionary bois, we have Little Jack Horner, an archetype of innocent goodness. He sticks his thumb into the pie, (while Georgie sticks his arm into the sewer grate), and pulls out a plum, (a sticky dripping succulent treat, while in It, the clown instead pulls out Georgie's arm, to itself a sticky dripping succulent treat.) It's the idealized icon of innocent virtue and reward inverted as we so often find it in real life.

The spider form of It makes a lot of sense as coming from Little Miss Muffet taking into account the pervasive nursery rhyme references.
Then from there you have the folkloric mystical creation archetypes: The spider, which lays eggs, the eggs of the spider (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg), and the turtle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle, constituting two inverse qualities of the eternal force of creation, icons of love and fear, naturally having been personified in the human mind from the earliest cultures on. Fairy tales and nursery rhymes are the more recent and still strongly resonant version of early creation mythologies, and these are subliminally threaded together in It.
The clown nose (the clown) is Jack Horner's/"Georgie Porgie's" plum - it is the sweet deceptive bait, and it is also the Cosmic Egg - the point at which innocence is provoked to corruption, at which the darknesses of life cast shadows on the pure mind and heart and the birth pains of mature consciousness begin is the nexus at which either love or fear must be chosen, at which point a world of happiness or suffering blooms, and this is a timeless condition.

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You know what? At first, I thought this dude is totally high. Then I read it all and thought, "Shit, am I high?" But actually, I am not and this all kind of isn't that far of a stretch. My thoughts accumulate and build on each other like this sometimes until I get to a point where I'm like, "how the fuck did I get here with my thoughts?" It's really not that far-fetched to think that 'IT' could've all been inspired by something as simple as OP suggests. Creative writing and thinking doesn't come from just sitting there staring at a wall.

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