What went wrong?


This movie is made by talented people who know how to make good movies yet this is what they shat out?

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wokeness, cgi, too old, too late.

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A woman shouldn't have been the head of production of one of the most masculine movie franchises ever made. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but there was no need for it to exist. No one wanted to see a Geriatric sad sack Indy that was written that way to prop up Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

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It fundamentally disrespected the character of Indiana Jones. Indy was a heroic character that audiences could really identify with, not because he was the toughest or strongest or cleverest -- he gets beaten up, outmaneuvered, deceived, and suffers setbacks aplenty. But he never quits. He's tough and resourceful, and always finds a way to bounce back and win. That was what made him great, and they took that quality away from him in this movie.

Audiences don't want to see a despairing, broken down old Indy who has lost everything, has just given up, and is ready to lie down and die, and the box office returns for this film reflect this fact.

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It's simple: the series ended perfectly with the Last Crusade. But, studios decided to keep making sequels. Harrison Ford is too old. The rest of the characters are unlikable. The story should have foregone Indiana Jones and just been a movie about the lead actress. It would still suck but that's how little Indiana Jones mattered in this.

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It's simple: the series ended perfectly with the Last Crusade.


It would have, yes.

I'm not one of those people who automatically think lousy sequels ruin earlier films in the franchise, but sometimes they do change the perception a bit. I saw Crystal Turd once and haven't seen Dial yet, so I'll wait before commenting on Dial, but sometimes the bad taste of the sequels does tarnish however slightly the earlier gems.

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Honestly, I only went to the Crystal skull because my Father-in-law wanted to see it. I only went to Dial because my wife wanted to see it.

I was fine e never having watched them. Just like the star wars prequels, sequels, and TV shows.

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They put a chick in it!!

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On the one hand I think a fifth Indiana Jones movie could have worked. You look at how well Top Gun: Maverick was written and its success at the box office with a much older Tom Cruise returning. Then on the other hand, it's a geriatric Ford playing essentially an adventurer, where action and physicality had very much been at the core of his escapades in the previous movies, unlike with the character Maverick. Only so much you can do with an 80 year old Indiana Jones I suppose.

So could it still have worked as well with the lead character being very old this time? Well I guess it could, although this already changes the tone and the direction the film goes in. It would require relying on good side characters to do some of the heavy lifting so to speak, and I don't believe we got them here. It was a problem with the previous film and it's a problem here as we're faced with a young, unlikeable woman patronising and undermining Indy, every which way. It's not what any true IJ fan wants to see.

Woke agenda and Ford's age aside, I just don't think it was well written enough overall. The action was generic and forgettable, the villains didn't feel threatening, it was neither as dark or tense as Raiders, nor as fun as Crusade. It just felt all too safe. If they'd done things differently it may have been the film Crystal could and should have been.

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I think you've summed up why the general audience (who ordinarily would've gone to see the latest/final Indiana Jones) didn't bother, leaving it just the fan base really ..

other things is movie viewing has changed now with streaming and covid getting ppl used to watching at home (but then that doesn't explain Top Gun Maverick but in that case Cruise is still a hot movie star, ppl were desperate to see a Top Gun sequel after 36years, and reviews were stellar, and ppl could see the stunts in the trailers and cruise was flying the planes for real ).

Plus obviously Crystal Skull soured alot of ppl (altho CS was still huge 800m, second only to The Dark Knight). But its 15y from 2008 to now and alot has happened with social media, streaming (back then cinema and dvd reigned), its a just different time. Back then Indiana Jones was only 27y old (Ford about 66) and the original films still fairly fresh in audiences minds .. In 2023 its a 42y old franchise with very few entries, fans have got old/died, there's streaming, etc

But ultimately Ford is 80, (which is pretty insane for an action star) and the reviews weren't great

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Yes covid I'm sure will have played a part, especially as it is the older members of the public more vulnerable and the target audience for this would be the older fans of the original movies. The younger age range must be the brunt of cinema goers these days. I can't explain how else those dreadful Transformer movies made so much money despite such lukewarm critical reception.

Obviously though if this opened to acclaim from critics it would have resulted in much better numbers, even despite the other issues you speak about. But without that people just didn't think it was worth it.

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Spielberg dropping out as director was a very ominus sign. I really think Skull killed the franchise more than anything. Then they waited over a decade before greenlighting Indy 5.

Bad decision after bad decision completely vanquished the once extremely loyal fan base.

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I really think Skull killed the franchise more than anything.


That's an excellent point. You could count me as one of those in the "loyal fan base" but Crystal Skull was so bad that I have no interest in seeing anything else they do or did after that one.

The same happened with Star Wars. I'm old enough to have seen it first run, and every time it was re-released through the years we all went to see it and of course, on TV as well. The first prequel was so bad (I was watching at home) I turned it off, and even though the reviews for the next two were better, I had lost interest in seeing them - and never did. I still watch the original three movies and still enjoy them but that first prequel put a bad taste in my mouth.

Same with the Raiders franchise - I'll watch any and all of the first three whenever they come across my cable box, but I have no interest in watching Skull again and may watch Dial if and when it gets to cable, but Skull cured my desire to see Dial.

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