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Maybe you have to be over fifty years old (spoilers?)


Many people posting seem intent to make this film out to be about homosexuality. I really didn't see it that way at all. Maybe its a generational thing. I grew up in rural America during the 60's, with everyone telling me "you can't do that, you're a girl." or "why go to school, you will just stay home and raise children." etc. Women's liberation had not reached the heartland of America in those days. Regardless of sexual orientation, it would have been great to "pass" as a man, to be able to do whatever I wanted, without all of the societal restrictions. I doubt if men can relate to this, they were never raised with such severe limitations. I really doubt that young women today can relate to this, because they have grown up believing that they can pursue whatever profession they want, live independently, etc. while living life fully as a woman. That's because women in the USA enjoy the full complement of civil rights, and have done so since the 1970's or so.

Try to imagine Albert's reality. Women of Victorian UK couldn't live alone. A woman's father would marry her off at a young age or moan and groan about the burden of having a spinster daughter, and she couldn't just move away from home (no decent place would rent a room to a lone woman because it was assumed that she was a prostitute). Albert HAD to work as a waiter, respectable restaurants of that time did not employ waitresses, women were subject to rape, unequal pay and other abuse on the basis of gender. Passing as a man might have seemed like a good way to deal with several problems at once. If you are a man you can live alone, without a protector (father/husband/pimp). You are not expected to have children. You are not as much a target for rape and other violence because you are not perceived as being vulnerable in the way a woman alone was (is?). The character Helen is everything that Albert didn't want to be... vulnerable, victimized, used by men, then discarded. Albert didn't want to be a man (we see her profound joy, dressed as a woman, running free on the beach), just to have the money, choices and control that men take for granted.

I was struck by Albert's remark about life not being worthwhile without decency. I think Albert perceived most (if not all) of the power over decency/indecency in life being held by men. Therefore, the choice to live life as a man totally makes sense. It might be the most rational choice a person could make in those days. You can't appreciate the character or the choices she makes unless you consider what society was at that time, how stark, punishing, and hopeless life must have seemed to a poor woman. I can totally relate to someone, due to desperate circumstances, wanting to enjoy the perceived benefits of living life as a man, with sexual orientation not even a major consideration. I didn't sense that Albert wanted a sexual partner so much as a social ornament/life partner. Albert was lonely and wanted fulfillment, but I'm not sure she knew how to pursue it. The freedom that "passing" as a man initially offered eventually became a lonely prison.

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I'm glad you posted because I was thinking the same thing. Although I think that homosexuality is a theme in this movie, it wasn't the ONLY theme. These days, homosexuality is at the core of so many movies, that I think people hone in on this aspect of every movie they watch without regard to the ideas that you mentioned. Perhaps this movie could have done a better job of bringing this social dilemma for unmarried women at that time in history to light.

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I didn't feel that Albert wanted a sexual partner at all, just somebody to share his life and his dream of having the shop. When Helen said that he'd never even tried to kiss her, he gave her a little peck on the cheek which seemed very paternal/maternal to me. I didn't get any feeling that he looked at Helen sexually at all. I wouldn't have been surprised if any marriage between Helen and Albert had turned out to be a "mariage blanc".

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Albert just wanted some human companionship. There was no sex involved. Probably not even between Mr Page and (forget her name).

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Mr. Page is a lesbian and clearly as getting it on with Kathleen who was also a lesbian.

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I think your comments are very perceptive of the situation. The limitations and vulnerabilities being a woman made "passing" as a man an acceptable alternative for Albert. Prior to taking this route, she had been raped. Being a man opened doors of opportunity that women were not allowed to even touch the doorknobs. In America the situation has changed dramatically since the mid 20th century. Some of us do remember what it was like to have the female options of being (1)a teacher (2) a nurse (3) a secretary or (4)a house wife. That was it. Albert dreamed of owning his own business.

I don't think Albert had a particular sexual attraction to either men or women. Albert wanted a companion in life. This was also what was expected of a man, to marry a woman. I am not sure if Albert even realized or thought about there being a homosexual relationship between Mr. Page and his wife. When Mr. Page's wife died, Albert thought he could step in as another companion and hadn't really understood the relationship.

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Until ALbert saw Mr and Mrs Page's bedroom he probably thought they slept in 2 different places. Albert seemed to have no sexual urges, certainly after he had been brutally raped when he was 14. Albert wasn't a lesbian, he wasn't even straight. Just wanted human companionship and to rise above being a second class person (woman). Read the book Suits Me, about Billy Tipton (real story about a woman posing as a man). Janet McTeer did a fantastic job with her character performance.

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I just watched this tonight on Netflix and came to read what others were saying about it. Although I struggled with the first 10-20 minutes being so slow, I'm glad I pushed past that and finished watching it.

Like the OP, I did not get the impression this was about homosexuality or even sexuality, but about survival. I was a bit disappointed to see some of the negative comments on Netflix regarding Close's performance as stifled and uncharming, but I think that was the whole point of her characterization. Nobbs WAS stifled and uncharming because s/he didn't know any other way to be. Nobbs grew up in a convent and was later homeless until s/he chose to take on her presentation as a man in order to survive after a brutal assault by several men. Until she met Mr. Page, she probably had no concept of a "real life" outside the public persona of Mr. Nobbs. How could she possibly learn such a thing when she had no one close to her in which to confide her secret or through whom to learn about interpersonal relationships? In this sense, I think Close gave a brilliant performance of someone who lacked basic social skills through tragic circumstances (the loss of her mother, gang rape, living a fake persona, etc.). Nobbs simply wanted to survive in a world that was neither tolerant or kind to women - especially single women.

I'm under 50, but I tend not to sexualize everything in the world so it was not difficult to understand the movie. ;-)




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I reccomend you get the DVD and watch the movie with the audio commentary. I learned a lot about the characters, the times, the repressed sexuality, and why Glenn Close loved this project so much. Albert was a very stiffled person, had never been in anyone else house until he went to Mr Pages. Had no friends. No one to confide in. Why was Hubert able to effortless pull it off while Albert struggled all his life? Did someone help Hubert in the beginning or was he more "worldly" and able to adapt easier? Both were abused by men and chose another life style. One successfully and one not.I think the male critics look at this movie one way and female critics another way. Maybe it takes a woman to "understand it".

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I'm 21 and the homosexuality thing wasn't the only theme I got out of it. I pretty understood that it was a combination of social status whether actual or desired, social mobility and general feeling of who you are. Janet's character I felt was truly a lesbian and felt more comfortable as a man. With Albert I feel that if she has been bored forty years later she might of been able to have been happy being a woman.

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Absolutely. I've been aghast at some of the posts here speculating all kinds of nonsense about gender etc. Hubert HAD to pass for a male, and possibly developed the lesbian way after living so many years among male kin. Nobbs also HAD to pass for male, to earn a living, and to not get gang raped again. Nobbs could not even conceive of the lesbian aspect of Hubert's relationship, Nobbs thought Hubert's marriage was platonic, a marriage of convenience. When the wife's death is learned, Nobbs is barely only just guessing at the nature of their relationship. Nobbs was way past dreaming of "love", and wanted only some financial/personal independence, and taking a wife would make Nobbs seem normal in society in the long run.

***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**

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