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Albert and Helen (Spoilers, though I think in trailer)


Why does Albert have to propose marriage to Helen?

This seems like a terrible idea, to impose a sham marriage on a beautiful heterosexual woman with her whole life ahead of her. Why not just hire the young lady, Helen, if that is the goal, or go into business? Nothing untoward about travelling with an employee. Is somehow supposed to make getting visas easier or something?

The marriage proposal idea seems delusional, wrong-headed and ill-advised to such an extent that Albert loses all sympathy.

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Albert is a near-lifelong asexual and doesn't have a clue as to how love works. Plus, he's envious of Hubert and believes being married (as Hubert was) is the key to happiness. Only problem is that he wants to wed Helen not for romantic but for business reasons. He keeps his posing-as-a-man secret intact while there's a pretty young woman running the counter of his would-be shop.

As for Helen having her life in front of her, that itself took a dent after Joe knocked her up and then left her to fend for herself with the baby when he later split for America.



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Thanks SwingBatta. That does help, but still. I'm sure single momma's back then still had a chance at finding love again or at least have sex, and a marriage to Albert would totally prevent that.

To think Albert was willing to trap a beautiful young woman in a sexless, sham of a marriage is so crazy. I don't think this movie is for me. You are saying Albert is driven by envy, total cluelessness about how other people may be sexual beings, etc. Shame on Albert. He/she seems insane and unlikeable.

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But at the time, there certainly was something untoward about a man traveling with a woman not his wife. Remember that Hubert claimed that he and his wife had to marry to keep down the gossip about an unmarried man and woman living together.

Also, Albert seems to spend a lot of time thinking about whether to tell Helen that he is really a woman before the wedding or after. And really, Cathleen doesn't mind at all that Hubert is a man, so why shouldn't Albert at least imagine that such a marriage is possible for him? And why not Helen? There wasn't any real protocol for finding a woman who is willing to marry another woman in Victorian Ireland. Albert can't hit up the craigslist personals or go to a lesbian bar.

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you really missed the point on why Albert thought of marrying Helen. there wasnt any love or sexual intent with that. Albert just saw the opportunity to live a life that Hubert had all those years. and he saw that with Helen who was then hoping to live a good life which Albert can eventually provide.

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"aeljs (Thu Mar 8 2012 03:34:25)
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you really missed the point on why Albert thought of marrying Helen. there wasnt any love or sexual intent with that. Albert just saw the opportunity to live a life that Hubert had all those years. and he saw that with Helen who was then hoping to live a good life which Albert can eventually provide."


It just seems that an actual MAN who was interested in Helen could provide a much better life, rather than some twisted lie.

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You're absolutely right, "an actual MAN"-- you mean the male sex -- had the means to provide a better life. It's the oppressive society Irish women lived in at that time. Even Jonathan Rhys Meyers freely wore a dress. Now combine that with the abuses Albert and Hubert faced when they were dressed as women and tada, you have yourself a moneymaking hollywood hit (sort of).

...I'm tired of movies portraying lesbians and transexuals as living in a "twisted lie" -- as if "Monster" or "Haute Tension" weren't enough.

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