Rubbish


The film was going SOMEWHERE - then for the last 20 minutes it went to complete nonsense - Sandra's dialog was from another planet.

I guess there will be a sequel where 'heroine' Mavis marries Matt - and they have 5 kids that become brain surgeons and rocket scientists.

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Obviously, you completely missed the point. The last scenes were the key to the movie. Jason Reitman was only convinced he had to make the movie when he came to Sandra's last scene with Mavis.

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And the point was?

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That she was simply irredeemable. It is simply a Hollywood cliche that people change for the better after an epiphany. Sometimes people stay the same. Some jerks stay jerks their whole lives.

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And she drove off into the sunset 'heroine style' with the emboldening encouragement and character-affirmation from Sandra.

Yeah, right.

Sorry - all total BS - and please don't tell me my detection of 'sardonism' is deficient.

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Good luck trying to articulate what makes it BS. Doesn't seem as if you are any good at articulating anything.

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"And she drove off into the sunset 'heroine style' with the emboldening encouragement and character-affirmation from Sandra.

Yeah, right.

Sorry - all total BS - and please don't tell me my detection of 'sardonism' is deficient."

^What does this post even mean? It really sounds like you didn't get it. The point was that for a brief moment she considered change - she had what was a rare moment of actually seeing herself as the rest of the world does. She had an epiphany. She toyed with the idea of changing, but Sandra was basically a codependent enabler who gave Mavin just the little bit of doubt she needed to disregard her strong doubts about her way of being.

In the typical movie, that moment of clarity would've been led to a happy ending with a brighter future as Mavin saw the error of her ways and turned over a new leaf; but in reality, people have epiphanies and realize that they need to change all the time, but then slip back into their old patterns (if they even try to step out of them) because change is much more difficult than staying the same, familiarity feels safer than the unknown, and thus, people rarely change much when it comes to their personality flaws because most lack the motivation to face the challenge.

So we see that Mavin was convinced (by codependent Sandra) that it was better to stay the person she was and went back to believing she was superior to others despite her emotionally stunted, solitary life. It didn't take much to convince her as it was much easier to stay the same than to change which truly would have been hard work.

And for her part, Sandra played a huge role in keeping the cycle going for BOTH of them in the end. She pumped Mavin up as something special, and then Mavin disregarded her worth and casually rejected her (just as she did when they were in school together and Mavin forgot all of Sandra's help - and even her name).
I think you made the film-watcher mistake of accepting everything a character says or taking it at face-value. Sandra's speech isn't coming from a place of wisdom, it's basically her own pathology speaking to cheer on Mavin's pathology.

The point is that Mavin's a heroine in her own mind and nowhere else. She carries herself as if she is one, but those who have an outside perspective can see that she's anything but. It's a false confidence that she has in the end which will keep her stuck in the rut she was in at the beginning of the film. She's literally delusional.

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That's what makes horse races. To me it is total rubbish.

Hell there always has to be SOMEBODY that buys this stuff! :-)

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If you were giving this movie an appropriate ending, how would things end up for Mavin?

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My problem with this movie is that someone is the whole time adding 3+2 and getting 8 - or is being asked a reaction word to 'dog' and saying 'table' - so the only thing I can say is that as far as I am concerned Mavin would never have been born. Sorry - the whole thing was illogical to me and I'm not interested in trying to make whole cloth from it.

Others can have their own opinion of course but this has all been enough for me.

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It's the Taxi Driver dilemma--if you pull off a sociopath film, then you do. If you make this pile of infantile, pretentious *beep*

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It's a tragedy. She cannot change. She is a loser and an asshole. She knows it. That's what the movie is about, and it succeeds perfectly.

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