I think woke is good, and it is the execution that is bad when it is excessive, or obvious, or maybe even done in a creepy way or just played badly.
My best example of what I mean is a TV series called "The Good Doctor". I think it's great, but every episode has some kind of moralistic theme to it, and that is what I like about it. I detest the immoral and disgusting themes in most Hollywood, or just most movies, that show evil as cool or winning or the way to be. I think this streak in American culture has destroyed our youth, and is at least party responsible for the suicides and homicides we see - along with nihlistic music and criminal culture.
They have really good writers on the The Good Doctor, which was originally done in Korea, and translated to American culture by the whole who played Jin in Lost, Daniel Dae Kim. Very similar streaks of morality and community in Chinese movies, at least the good ones.
I think you are confusing woke with stereotype or archetypes. For example some roles demand that certain parts be written a certain way, for a certain reason and to try to force it to reverse doesn't work in the main. Like Terminator just as an example. Schwarzenegger was perfect for that role. You could not cast a woman in that role.
There are some roles today that seek to appeal to the female psyche - and that is what I think most anti-woke people are all about. Racism and sexism. They resent minorities in certain roles, and they hate women in roles - because they're women, not necessarily because they don't fit the stereotype.
There is a whole massive reactive complex across the world that is backlashing on women today because they are empowered in certain economic ways. This is mostly driven by men who are losers, or those who seek to attrack loser men to lead them - like the anti-woke celebrities going way back.
I have the perspective of seeing this change over a long period of time. American culture has changed an incredible amount and as it spreads and perpetuates and disrupts the social order - it brings blame on certain classes of people = in a not necessarily just or fair way, and anti-woke sets stakes in the ground so that anytime someone resentful wants to they can haul out some BS anti-woke thing and make a big deal over nothing. A bad movie is a bad movie - nothing else.
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maximmm (3089)
a month ago
It seems to me that we might have different definitions of woke. Forced stereotypes or archetypes have indeed become part of the woke definition - more often than not, those stereotypes are artificial and far from being realistic.
Another part of the definition of woke in films is the trend. Back in the day, when Alien/aliens came out, we did not call those films woke, despite a female being tougher and more durable than any male character. Also, in those films, male characters were not depicted as being unnecessarily evil. But imagine 10 high budget films come out with the same depiction of female characters and female characters - or say, white characters vs POC characters. And then Oscar Academy awards coming out with a set criteria stating that any film which does not have a certain percent of POC or female of lgbtq characters (depicted in good light) and/or people on the production team, is no longer eligible for an award. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/film-academy-sets-inclusion-requirements-for-oscars-will-take-full-effect-in-2024-4056888/
We are seeing these trends - they are a form of reverse racism/sexism. They are woke.
In the same way that I do not support racism/sexism - I feel the same way about reverse racism/sexism.
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TrentnQuarantino (8623)
a month ago
You completely ignored what i said. If you had gotten it, you would not be wasting you time trying to tell me what woke is.
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maximmm (3089)
a month ago
Most peeps would agree that Aliens was a decent film.
If it were to come out now, I'd label it as being woke.
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