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It's not woke, it's patriotism


I read some posts about the movie being woke because of the ethnic diversity of the pilots in the film. It's a nonsense. These arguments express a lack of understanding of this type of film. Also, they don't understand what's a real woke/progressive film.

Let start by saying that color and gender didn't play any role in the movie. There are no racial or gender tensions between the crew. You can make them all blacks or whites and you wouldn't feel the difference. They laugh, fight and tease each other regardless of their ethnic and sex identity, especially noticeable in the interactions between them in the bar. Equally important, you don't see any special effort to make the non-white with more moral grounds than the others characters, as we seen in many woke films.

So we already seen big difference between woke film and this one:

1. Absence of superficial dichotomy between black/female/non-white and white males.
2. No racial or gender tensions.
3. The emphasis is on the character traits and not the characters identity.
4. Lack of criticism of the United States.
5. The emphasis is on the story - not ideological.

So what is the aimed of ethnic diversity in the film? The answer is celebrate America as a nation and their people. Top Gun is a patriotic movie, and one of the goals of the film is to illustrate the power of the nation to achieve impossible things. It's very common in films at this genre, who depicted a nation recruiting for a specific cause, showing the power of the people in the nation. We seen similar things in other patriotic films like Independence Day, Armageddon and the first Top Gun. The rational is to give the entire American nation a sense that they are part of the experience of being an American - not white, black, female, male or whatever. It's melting pot, no identity politics.

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It's getting to the point that any movie with any diversity in the cast is labeled woke.

I hate the blatant pandering of Hollywood, but this movie wasn't preachy or focusing on any type of woke messaging.

Also, pretty sure every single main character was white. Lol

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Exactly. One of my aim here was to explain the difference to both sides.

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MOVIES ARE ART AND ART MAKES STATEMENTS...WOKE IS A FALSE FLAG FOR PEOPLE WITH UNDERLYING ISSUES TO RALLY AROUND.

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πŸ˜‚ 😝 πŸ˜†
Sheriff Kowokeski at it again.

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IF OFFERING A COUNTER OPINION MAKES ME A SHERIFF...WELL..THAT'S COOL.πŸ™‚

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πŸ˜‚ opinion?
More like a tantrum
But ok Sheriff

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A TANTRUM,HUH?...WHATEVER YOU SAY,DICKOFF.

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Sorry Sheriff.

You gonna pop a capslock in my ass πŸ˜‚

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DUDE...I AM PICKLED IN WEED CURRENTLY...I WILL NOT BE POPPING ANYTHING...SO...WHAT ARE YOU TOP TV SHOWS ALL TIME?

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The only woke thing about TG:M, and it’s a small issue that is long overshadowed by its awesomeness and general lack of woke, is that we’re expected to believe that the best fighter pilots in America would include a woman.

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Why wouldn't they? Women have been some of the best Pilots since Amelia Earhart. That includes NASA. Why does having a wiener make you a better fighter pilot? πŸ™„

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Because having a wiener means you’re male, and males have the superior strength, resilience, dexterity and spatial awareness required for dogfighting. This should be obvious to you.

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Being a man doesn't make you a better pilot, lol Jesus. What a stupid thing to say. How does being physically stronger matter?

Men DON'T have more resilience than women, in fact most studies say that women are more resilient. MEN certainly aren't more dexterous! Just try Googling Which gender has better dexterity . . .All of the science says that women "women perform significantly better than men in manual dexterity."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232434698_Do_Women_Really_Excel_over_Men_in_Manual_Dexterity
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2307635/

In fact, I would LOVE to read 'any' test where men outperformed women in dexterity.

While its true that men have better spacial awareness it's not because they are male, they aren't BORN with better spacial awareness it is a learned skill that can just as easily be learned by females.
https://news.emory.edu/stories/2019/04/esc_gender_gap_spatial_reasoning/campus.html

Women generally have better eyesight and can see more color than men can which is extremely important in flying.

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Women can barely drive a car let alone operate aircraft, which is why female pilots are extremely rare, and the idea that one of America’s best fighter pilots would be a woman is fucking hilarious.

You know this, of course, but you’ve been brainfucked by feminism and are trying to gaslight people into thinking this nonsense is plausible.

Please, continue πŸ€£β€¦

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YEAH...THOSE BROADS SUCK AT DRIVING...PROBABLY WHY ALL YOUR ONLINE DATES ARE NEVER SEEN AGAIN..."CAR WRECKS".

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I don’t read obnoxious all-caps posts, so rewrite your reply properly if you want me to read it.

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Oh sure . . . THAT'S why men pay more for car insurance than women. God you're dumb.

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Women don't see more colours than men do. Women are less prone to being colour blind than men, but non-colour blind women do not see better or more colours than non-colour blind men. How is that supposed to work? What women are better at is discerning between colours, not seeing more of them. Men, however, are better at tracking fast-moving objects and discerning details at a distance. Guess which is more relevant for dog fighting.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/120907-men-women-see-differently-science-health-vision-sex

As for resilience, what test show that women are more "resilient"? More resilient at what? Resilient as in temperature tolerance, pain tolerance, stamina, the ability to withstand physical/mental trauma, bone density, what? There are very few kinds of resilience, if any, where women out-perform men. Women tend to be more long-lived, but that's about it. Smaller bodies, smaller hearts, which makes them more resilient to ageing. Apart from that, however, women get sick more often, get more easily injured, are much more prone to experiencing mental health issues, have lower pain tolerance, less stamina... If it has to do with physical performance, men are simply better, on average.

As for manual dexterity, did you read your own links? They say the exact opposite of what you claim they say. From the first link:

One of the axiomatic claims of both academic and folk psychology is that women have greater manual dexterity than men. On the basis of the performance of right-handed men ( N = 47) and women ( N = 57) on 6 different motor tasks, this general claim is shown not to be valid.

And the title in your second link:

Marked sex differences on a fine motor skill task disappear when finger size is used as covariate

Did you mean to post different links, perhaps?

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"we’re expected to believe that the best fighter pilots in America would include a woman"

hahaha yes so true! total fantasys.

zero woman aces in combat. as leboner james say - check my stats hahahah.

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It somehow manages to be both and not successfully either, it's an atrocious plot with cardboard cutout characters fawning on meeting diversity quotas and trembling at a frown -- all this adulation yet too chicken shit to name the enemy. The high rating and praise highlights how shite moves are these days.

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it is wise not to name enemy. in 1980s, original top gun and iron eagle did not name enemy either. it is better this way.

red dawn remake name n. korea as enemy who invade states. yes. north korea who's navy is submarine from 1862 will invade greatest superpower in world historys? that is why red dawn remake is shit film. top gun film wise not to do same!!!

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If you would learn to use the definite and indefinite articles of the English language, your posts would be much better.

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thank you!! i am still learn your great languages!!

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LIES...ANYONE WHO HAS READ MORE THAN ONE OF YOUR POSTS HAS NOTICED THAT YOUR "MISTAKES" ALTERNATE WHERE THEY ARE MADE...YOUR "ACCENT" CHANGES CONSTANTLY... PISS POOR IMPROV IS WHAT YOU ARE.

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I hate woke crap as much as the next rational person, but I did not find this movie to be woke at all. The presence of a black guy and a woman on the team does not make it woke. No big deal or teachable moment was made of race or gender.

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Same as you I find woke annoying. It might also be worth emphasizing that not every movie about race and gender are woke, 12 Years a Slave, The Wire and Boys Don't Cry for example aren't woke movies.

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