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Pay attention to the international reviews


They will be the ones unfiltered and the most honest.

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Why are the International reviews more honest than critics and reviewers from the USA? Would the "Americas" be considered International? Give us something objective that causes you to state that.

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because other countries don't have the amount of SJW political nonsense America has. The perception of Black people living in X country is quite different from the American one. Thus, reviews have less PC rubbing on the reader.

Ask a black guy here what he thinks of the message of the movie and the answer is "meh"

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Exclude Canada, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand too.

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What's your opinion on what black people from those places would say?

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Its not black people, its SJW's, UK had its own black lives matter protests for example, full of white middle class students.

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It's also black people. And I'm asking from the black people's perspective.

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Amen to that brother (Melbourne).
Just the other day I heard the term "cultural appropriation" used in a non-facetious way while on a tram.
While we see those SJW terms all the time online, overhearing it in public is really WTF!!!!

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We'd like to ask a black guy "here" but no one has any idea where your far away, mythical and fictitious "here" is?

Is "here" near Angola?

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Your "fictitious and mythical" point is... exactly what? To state that your "HERE" is the total sum of the reality of the world as it is...?

Tone your "fictitious and mythical" blabber down a few notches, dude. There's a world outside the bubble you live in, and it's nothing like what you think it is.

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Twisted I'm only talking about your "Here". Where is that "Here" for you? I'd like to speak to a sample of those Blacks from your "Here" that aren't just your friends who share the same fear, anxiety and suspicion of Black Activism as you do.

Blacks are neither monolithic in thought nor are they totally homogenous. I stated that I am a world traveler. Just where is your "Here"? Cuba, France, South Africa, Amsterdam, Australia?

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"Blacks are neither monolithic in thought nor are they totally homogenous."

Certainly not as monolithic in thought as the American reviews of this film will be, just as with The Last Jedi. Bank on it.

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I live in Portugal [which as a long ass history with the African continent], I am married to an African woman who has her own ties to Africa [friends, relatives, acquaintances, etc], I live in a society which has all sorts of immigrants from Africa [from north to south] and in a Continent which deals with African immigration [Europe].

And I can tell you this: No one here cares for the American Black Activism. Not a single one of them. To them it makes no sense whatsoever.

Slavery was abolished in 1751 here [before it was abolished in USA]. Blacks are fully integrated here. There are no ghettos here. There is no racial war here. There are no black "gangstas" here [sure there is crime, like in any country, but there is no "race crime"].

Also, if you are a world traveler, you sure are missing the point: USA's history is NOT universal.

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Twisted, Brazil is to America as Portugal is to England.

And I can tell you this: No one here cares for the American Black Activism. Not a single one of them. To them it makes no sense whatsoever.

Slavery was abolished in 1751 here [before it was abolished in USA]. Blacks are fully integrated here. There are no ghettos here. There is no racial war here. There are no black "gangstas" here [sure there is crime, like in any country, but there is no "race crime"].

Also, if you are a world traveler, you sure are missing the point: USA's history is NOT universal.
Slavery was abolished in Brazil in 1888.
Slavery was abolished in America in 1865.

Both Brazil and America are quite similar in colorism and racism as if affects the descendants of slaves brought to both countries for free labor. The Africanization of Brazil was and is MUCH more pronounced due to the larger numbers of Slaves brought to Brazil than America. Brazilian Favelas = American Slums.

The indigenous tribes of what is now Brazil were basically totally displaced as in America by disease and Eurpoean style manifest destiny based on intolerance, industrialization and Greed posed as advancement.

Brazilian popular culture de-emphasizes people of color and light skinned Brazilians tend to dominate the society with only the language of Portugese binding the two countries of Brazil and Portugal.

Brazil is the more dominate partner between Portugal with the colonizer enjoying the benefits of Brazil through the historical expansion of commerce and trade based off of agricultural based slavery and then the discovery of more valuable natural resources.

Portugal does fear BLM activism as it highlights the disparity in equality based on skin tones within the broader borders of Brazilian life.

Black Panther the movie will be quite celebrated with Afro-Brazilians as a mythical tale of representation.

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Another strange oddity that connects Brazil and the Black Panther movie is the Jaguar of which Killmonger adorns the Golden Jaguar armor.

Brazilian slaves adopted a form of martial arts and disguised their intents around dance to prevent their slave masters from knowing what they were doing.

Brazilian jiu-jitsu, a martial art, combat sport, and a self-defense system that focuses on grappling and especially ground fighting
Capoeira, an Angolan and Brazilian martial art that combines elements of dance, acrobatics and music.
Both of these uniquely African fighting styles were incorporated into the movie Black Panther to authenticate just another aspect of African culture. Chadwick Boseman studied the style and Gui DaSilva from Brazil is his stunt man and stunt double.

Again this is what is meant by Representation and Authenticity.

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"Twisted, Brazil is to America as Portugal is to England. "

Nah... really? You don't say.

And what the hell does Brazil have to do with it...? It's an independent country... on the other side of the Ocean...?

"Portugal does fear BLM activism as it highlights the disparity in equality based on skin tones within the broader borders of Brazilian life."

Huh? No. Dude, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Not only you are stretching your retorics trying to "teach me" something about Brasil [good luck with that; given that a majority of our immigrants are Brasilians that try to escape their country, and we have also a history with them, as much as we do with the people from Africa], but you clearly have no idea whatsoever what the reality is in Portugal when it comes to "black community"- as you clearly demonstrate.

At this point you are just making a fool out of yourself.

If you claim to be so "well traveled", well then,. travel here and see it for yourself.

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***And what the hell does Brazil have to do with it...? It's an independent country... on the other side of the Ocean...?***

Because when making opinions, observations and criticisms context does matter.

And I can tell you this: No one here cares for the American Black Activism. Not a single one of them. To them it makes no sense whatsoever.

Slavery was abolished in 1751 here [before it was abolished in USA]. Blacks are fully integrated here. There are no ghettos here. There is no racial war here. There are no black "gangstas" here [sure there is crime, like in any country, but there is no "race crime"].

Also, if you are a world traveler, you sure are missing the point: USA's history is NOT universal.
Your observation of America's Black Activism and it's relate-ability for Europe is more probably than not impacted by focusing on the smaller picture. The picture for racial strife is born out more often than not in the legacy of slavery. Which I guess Portugal has put behind them by divorcing themselves from the very legacy they created for Brazil by inoculating themselves with Africans (Angolans) which was admirable and fortuitous for Portugal's progress. Angola is no longer a product unto itself and appears to be paternalized by Portugal.

***And what the hell does Brazil have to do with it...? It's an independent country... on the other side of the Ocean...?***

And so is America.

But I would be curious to see how you think that the country of Angola would not find the movie Black Panther resonating with the populace.

Brazil's box office for Marvel's Thor:Ragnarok was $30,485,847
Portugal's Box Office for Marvel's Thor:Ragnarok was $1,344,160

It is my opinion that BP will do better numbers in Brazil than Thor Ragnarok did and BP will do the same numbers in Portugal. Portugal and Angola share box offices and I think the Angola portion will rise for BP.

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"Because when making opinions, observations and criticisms context does matter."

What context dude? You're talking about a country on the other side of the Ocean in relation to Portugal. 2 independant countries, with independant politics, independant History and independant world integration, culture and reality.

That's like talking about Quantum Mechanics while discussing the sexual life of the Bonobo. Makes no sense.

"Which I guess Portugal has put behind them by divorcing themselves from the very legacy they created for Brazil by inoculating themselves with Africans (Angolans) which was admirable and fortuitous for Portugal's progress. Angola is no longer a product unto itself and appears to be paternalized by Portugal."

In other words, you have no clue what you talk about. Got it. Seriously dude, you're making yourself look foolish.

"It is my opinion that BP will do better numbers in Brazil than Thor Ragnarok did and BP will do the same numbers in Portugal."

You should know that Brasilians are avid comic book readers. Specially Japanese Manga. DC and Marvel pales in comparisson to their gluttony for Manga/anime/hentai.

As for Portugal, BP will do the same numbers most MCU movies been doing. Nothing special.

"Portugal and Angola share box offices and I think the Angola portion will rise for BP."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

What an idiot.

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"Portugal and Angola share box offices and I think the Angola portion will rise for BP."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

What an idiot.
As far as Boxofficemojo's box office tracking goes Portugal and Angola (no doubt because of the language of Portugese and the translation process that goes with movies shown in those two countries) are tracked as one market.

So the idiots that you mock are the bean counters at Boxofficemojo.

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you are saying that Angolans will RISE UP [as though they are anout to get into a revolution or something] because of a movie.

Dude, do you even know the reality of Angola? As in... at all?

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you are saying that Angolans will RISE UP [as though they are about to get into a revolution or something] because of a movie.

Dude, do you even know the reality of Angola? As in... at all?
Twisted, we are talking about a movie with a strong African flavor. Angolans at the end of the day are very much still Africans. There is still an amount of pride for the continent regardless of the segmented history of various countries. Swelling up with pride for something African isn't the same as Rising Up like a revolution.

Ali Boom ba yay! Ali Boom ba yay!

Why would the people of Kinshasa, Zaire pick Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) over George Foreman? Both Black Americans but one was seen as a lightning rod to them. Don't underestimate the attraction of this uniquely African influenced movie against the abject poverty of Angola as a deterrent preventing many from watching a movie, even legally.

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"Twisted, we are talking about a movie with a strong African flavor. Angolans at the end of the day are very much still Africans. "

And they don't care at all.

"There is still an amount of pride for the continent regardless of the segmented history of various countries. Swelling up with pride for something African isn't the same as Rising Up like a revolution."

You do know Africa is a continent... right? With different people, different cultures, different History and different ways of life.... right?
Angolans don't care for the black American view on their own continent, about a fictitious country that -as it stands - has the same closed regime as North Korea, except it's technologically advanced.

Plus, the vast majority of Angolans would rather have something on their table to eat.

"Ali Boom ba yay! Ali Boom ba yay!"

Tchk-tschkaaaa

"Why would the people of Kinshasa, Zaire pick Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) over George Foreman?"

Cherry picking much? Everyone loves the winner.

"Don't underestimate the attraction of this uniquely African influenced movie against the abject poverty of Angola as a deterrent preventing many from watching a movie, even legally. "

yes... because famine is so much less important than a fucking movie

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Well just some of the numbers are in and after only the opening weekend BP has done about $548,863 for Portugal.

Thor Ragnarok, another Marvel branded property, opened with $421,073 and even though I don't know what the exact average is for Marvel movies in Portugal BvS opened higher at $614,782.

So far no evidence that some of the negative aspects of BP for you can be shown affecting the Box office as of yet. But I'm still curious given the extreme positivity for BP reflected across many places in Africa if BP will perform badly.

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Dude... we eat SuperHero movies for lunch.

"So far no evidence that some of the negative aspects of BP for you can be shown affecting the Box office as of yet. But I'm still curious given the extreme positivity for BP reflected across many places in Africa if BP will perform badly."

So... when did I say the movie would fail exactly?

All I said was the message of the movie [we blacks dawg, kill the white devils] is not taken seriously outside of the USA. And it isn't.

Is it making money? Of course. It's an MCU movie about a cool character introduced in Civil War that stole the movie for many people. Not because he is black... because he is a pretty good rendition of Black Panther.

What's your next excuse to pander on such SJW BLM bubble?


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Ha! International media is as politically correct as American one.

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First negative review: Irish Independent.

Say again?

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pwned!

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