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No Russians were harmed or apparently hired in making this film.


Are there no Eastern Europeans looking for acting gigs out there?

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What do you have against real Russian actors for the sake of authenticity?

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Which country are you from that is so much better?

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what a retard, sir.

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Don't compare him to retarded people. That could be offensive to retarded people.

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If you want authenticity, you'd have them speaking Russian, too, no doubt? And, of course, you'd only have Soviet submariners in the cast. Right? For authenticitys sake, of course.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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Well about three quarters of the roles for Americans generally go to Brit and Aussie actors so I'm ok with this. Daniel Day Lewis just won an Oscar for playing an iconic American historical figure. If American filmakers choose to employ American actors who are looking for work just as much as Eastern European actors my feathers remain unruffled.

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exact opposite. And it drives me crazy trying to enjoy some show only to be forced to play guess the foreigner, because it's too easy: I've yet to encounter any non-American actor who can convincingly portray an American.



I think that Simon Baker who is an Aussie plays an American beautifully. Hugh Laurie from House MD is another. What about Alex O'Loughlin on Hawaii 5/0.

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Hugh Laurie. In a class of his own. Here's him playing an American faking a British accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfBTe_N-m6U

Evry1 has the right to believe anything they want&evry1 else has the right to find it * ridiculous

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Hugh Laurie is awesome!When i first started to watch House i didn't know that he was British. When i heard him speak for the first time in his natural accent i was blown away.

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You don't find it the least bit ridiculous to claim that American actors can apparently play anybody, but no foreigner has supposedly ever succeeded playing an American? It seems obvious that you are less worried about acting performances, but rather about patriotism. First you complain about authentic accents being too distracting, then you go on saying it's impossible for you to enjoy anything that doesn't get American accents perfectly right.

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I was under the impression that you made it perfectly clear in your initial posting that you don't want a mix of authentic accents and neither actors that are not already known. You clearly seems to prefer a cast of Americans playing foreign characters, so how could I not conclude that you are apparently very satisfied with their ability to do exactly that? What other conclusion is there? Wouldn't you otherwise have to complain about Americans faking other accents, much like you consider it unbearable when a non-American tries to speak American English?

I have no such Patriot alarm, because I'm not American. I do consider it home away from home though. I promise I won't get into acting, although I'm extremely confident that you would never be able to tell from a casual conversation that English is not my native language. I have no intention of attacking patriotism, otherwise I would have chosen the poster who directly references it instead. I was merely commenting on what I perceived to be rather hypocritical reasoning.

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Whether or not anyone thinks Americans can play any nationality is moot as far as Phantom goes because the director made a conscious choice to not use accents of any kind so the audience would view the characters simply as people and not specifically as soviets. Having made that decision there was no resson not to use American actors and from what the reviews are saying casting is the one thing he got right. Some actors are better than others at accents and the talent is as likely to be found in any nationality. People tend to notice the faults in an actor's accent if they are in regular contact with people who speak in said accent. I'm sure I'm convinced by fake southern accents that a person actually from the south would find just awful. Likewise to my ears not one single actor of any nationality including American has ever done a Boston accent correctly. (They tend to try to talk like the Kennedy's when no one but the Kennedy's talks like the Kennedys).

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said well my friend

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Looking foward David Duchovny doing silly accent. Guess having actual russians playing russians means there would be subtitles at those parts. Thats big no-no for *beep* Guess many of them cant read.

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We can read but i'd rather not have to read subtitles.

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Vy govorite po-russki? Ya govoryu nemnozhko po-russki.
Switching to English, no one speaks in a Russian accent in the movie.

Actual Russians? Then Cleopatra should've been played by an Egyptian, not Elizabeth Taylor. Then Lincoln should've been played by an American, not Daniel Day-Lewis. Then Gandhi should've been played by an Indian national, not Ben Kingsley (a British citizen of Indian ancestry on his dad's side).

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I ' m fine with subtitles in foreign films but the more elegant solution for making sure that the intended audience understands what is being said is to use English in American films. Honestly, if one's abiliity to suspend disbelief is so bad that they find Americans playing Russians so problematic I wonder how they enjoy any films at all. Few movies are 100% in sync with how things happen in reality.

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People who can't be bothered to read subtitles are lazy.

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None in California.

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Considering they are Americans there is probably some Russian blood in there somewhere.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

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Considering they are Americans there is probably some Russian blood in there somewhere.


Actually, there is an actor whose got Russian blood in him. Even his name is Russian. That is David Duchovny.

Btw, I saw it today and I got so involved in the story that I didn't even pay attention to the fact that they didn't have an accent.


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Based on the trailer, it would appear that the intended audience is American, which makes the lack of Russian and/or bad Russian accents a good choice. Setting aside the fact that actors using generic Eastern European accents would flirt with parody, there is something interesting about presenting the Soviet "other" as ourselves, thus breaking down Cold War baggage some might have about a Russian military protagonist.

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