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What happens to women after 45 that makes them like the movie more?


My first guess, is that the breaking point of this statistics is Orlando's death, and Bruno's "redeeming" ending scene.

Do you think is a biological consequence, or a psychological (more experience) consequence?

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After 45? I'm not sure what your point is. I enjoyed it...and I'm 27. I thought Bruno was an immigrant story much like Ewa's story, only he was much more corrupted at a young age. I kind of saw all the characters as victims of their circumstances, not that I'm taking any blame away from Bruno's wicked actions. This is just the life Bruno came to make for himself because this was how a lot of immigrants succeeded unfortunately.

Bruno could have been anyone, I mean Irving Berlin danced in the streets for money and ended up wealthy and famous. It's unfortunate that this is the path he ended up down.

It's like...when you see someone who is obviously intelligent, talented, and capable end up down the wrong path. You can't help but feel sympathy.

Plus Phoenix is such a good actor, he plays the role well. He's both loathsome and endearing.

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I've been looking the user's average vote of a lot of movies, there is ussually a trend where specific movies, specially those with strong messages about relationships, change as people grow old.

I understand that in the case of this movie, the number of votes are too minimal to do a judgement,

But there is ussually this biased side, that likes to complaint in the forums, they (men and women) like to pretend that their voices and complaints represent the entire population.

Yet, when faced with the fact that not all (women in the case of women, and men in the case of men) people share the same views they have, they neglect them.

The worst thing about this, is that this individuals, are sussually young, and they also neglect the fact that their views are ussually product of their lack of experience.

In sexism terms, this views are regarded as "resigned" views, and these views are taken as unvalid and shhould not be accounted.

But the numbers are there, the issue with people is that If you are young, the most likely thing to happen is that your views WILL change in the "resigned" way that "old people think".

Some youngsters (like you) are more receptive to acceptance on this issues.

But these people cannot be babysitted in their views, they need to see the facts and understand that no one is owner of the truth, the only truth is what numbers show us: that when you grow old, you will stop fighting and "resign" to what life has given you.

In the case of Bruno, this doesn't mean that he was determined/destined to end up how he came to be, this means that he (as the poeple fighting in sexism issues against each other) blamed the world surrounding him, and tried to fix his enviroment instead of focusing on fixing himself, one's faulty enviroment is just the product of one's faulty self.

Now to be honest I feel kind of ashamed to be saying this in a movie that portrays women in "the damsel in distress" way, it seems like im preaching towards women "complainting", but I've been trying to change men's views in other threads too.
Also the "complaint" is not always shown in the unhappy threads, it is best reflected in the average socore of a movie, sometimes you see no one talking about certain issues in the forums, yet the movie is punished for touching certain issues with its rating.

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I've been looking the user's average vote of a lot of movies, there is ussually a trend where specific movies, specially those with strong messages about relationships, change as people grow old.

I understand that in the case of this movie, the number of votes are too minimal to do a judgement,

But there is ussually this biased side, that likes to complaint in the forums, they (men and women) like to pretend that their voices and complaints represent the entire population.

Yet, when faced with the fact that not all (women in the case of women, and men in the case of men) people share the same views they have, they neglect them.

The worst thing about this, is that this individuals, are sussually young, and they also neglect the fact that their views are ussually product of their lack of experience.


Here is the problem with you research. You assume that equal amounts of people from varying demographics have seen the same films, realistically this film would have no appeal to people under 30. (That is unless they are sincerely interested in artistic cinema). The only thing this site is measuring is how many people visit IMDB. For all we know, an entire high school or college history class may have viewed the film without any choice and came onto this site to complain about it. We have no idea who these people are, what their background is, what their experience with the film was. Any good research study would take these things into consideration.

In this case, the film didn't have a great deal of marketing.

So many people who would be interested in this sort of film are going to be older, have more experience and knowledge with cinema in general. Young people have an interest in sex and violence. That's why many of those summer blockbusters are marketed to them.

There's also the fact that many young people may not be familiar with the director. There's a lot to take into account here.

In sexism terms, this views are regarded as "resigned" views, and these views are taken as unvalid and shhould not be accounted.


You mean invalid? Your views aren't conclusive enough for me because this small scale study has too many holes to really hold up as a realistic reflection.

But the numbers are there, the issue with people is that If you are young, the most likely thing to happen is that your views WILL change in the "resigned" way that "old people think".


Again, the problem is that the numbers have no valid comparison, the small scale research study you've embarked on isn't really reflective of the real world. It's reflective of 1. people who have the internet, 2. people who post on IMDB, 3. People who are interested in cinema enough to talk about it, 4. interest in artistic cinema v entertainment.

Some youngsters (like you) are more receptive to acceptance on this issues.


I enjoy art and cinema, I actively seek out unusual and obscure films. I also enjoy dark cinema and tend to see a lot in films that many people (including older people) do not see.

Actually, I've noticed a lot of older people tend to be more black and white about their film choices. I would see this film as one they would struggle with. Art house films tend not to be their forte.

People who enjoy them tend to be either introverted or, at the least, intuitive. This is not a film for everyone. I've kind of resigned myself to the fact that most people do not have the same taste in cinema that I do. I have no desire to change their minds.

But these people cannot be babysitted in their views, they need to see the facts and understand that no one is owner of the truth, the only truth is what numbers show us: that when you grow old, you will stop fighting and "resign" to what life has given you.


I'm not really sure what your point is here, in the current world we're living in, many young men and women are resigning themselves at earlier ages. Idealism is something for the wealthy and bored and according to statistics that consists of older people.

In the case of Bruno, this doesn't mean that he was determined/destined to end up how he came to be, this means that he (as the poeple fighting in sexism issues against each other) blamed the world surrounding him, and tried to fix his enviroment instead of focusing on fixing himself, one's faulty enviroment is just the product of one's faulty self.


I didn't see her as a damsel in distress, I actually thought the film was ironic with the concept. Let's look at the two main characters Bruno and Emil. Bruno is on the surface he brutalizer and captor, Emil is the white knight and angel who comes to take her away from the big bad evil world. At the end of it, it turns out that she needs neither white knight or captor. She raises the funds on her own, rescues her sister, and leaves for the west coast.

As for Bruno, I tend to see Bruno in two ways. 1. Bruno is a man so ashamed of himself, suffering through so much self loathing (a product of immigrant culture and Jewish culture in general) that he is doomed to the life he chose. 2. Bruno is a man who has had an epiphany at the end of the film and has chosen to pay the consequences for his actions. Therefore his fate is up to him.

I don't understand anyone who could view the film in such certain terms, especially when nothing has really been resolved with Bruno. We only know that he is ashamed of himself and that he feels a need to pay the consequences.

Both of these conclusions appeal to me because they represent something pivotal about Bruno's character; his eternal anguish.

I don't understand why you keep using the word sexism, where are you seeing this?


Now to be honest I feel kind of ashamed to be saying this in a movie that portrays women in "the damsel in distress" way, it seems like im preaching towards women "complainting", but I've been trying to change men's views in other threads too.
Also the "complaint" is not always shown in the unhappy threads, it is best reflected in the average socore of a movie, sometimes you see no one talking about certain issues in the forums, yet the movie is punished for touching certain issues with its rating.


What issues? I'm sorry but you're being vague here and your spelling makes it difficult to actually comprehend what you're saying at times.

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Good points, part of this (what I wrote) is not based on the flawed numbers which I admit (in this case) are not conclusive.

Please try to ignore my spelling because criticism will not make it better, I felt a little confident with it at the time I wrote the comment, but I usually check it twice, and English is not my native language, but that's no excuse, I know.
If my spelling is hurting the message, then I'll do my best to not let it happen again.

I'll try to answer to you this weekend, when I have some time.

But I want to ask you something very irrelevant . . .

Have you ever placed yourself in the shoes of someone you hate?
That's what a lawyer needs to do to justify the most wicked of the acts.
The lawyer believes that no matter how evil his client is, he is not responsible for his acts, the act is first an idea, and that idea can be thought by anyone.

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But I want to ask you something very irrelevant . . .

Have you ever placed yourself in the shoes of someone you hate?
That's what a lawyer needs to do to justify the most wicked of the acts.
The lawyer believes that no matter how evil his client is, he is not responsible for his acts, the act is first an idea, and that idea can be thought by anyone.


That's usually what I do, especially when I watch films. Bruno is a man who lives in a perpetual self fulfilling prophecy. He believes he's nothing, therefore he is nothing. A very common sentiment shared by many immigrants thrown into poverty.

Sometimes I find it difficult to understand what's going on the heads of some people. Sometimes there is no definable motive for what they do.

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I'm 36 year old male. And I enjoyed it

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