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Why no comments on Capote vs. The Swans?


I'd think there'd be plenty by now.

I'm disappointed in this season. The swans simply aren't a very interesting bunch - we have no reason to care about them. And the writers don't offer explanations as to why the two men in Capote's life, Jack & John, stay with him despite his cruelty & disfunction. Capote's viciousness and abusiveness make him an utterly unsympathetic character. Don't think I’ll stick around for 6 more episodes of this.

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Sounds like you explained why. Plus it doesn't sound interesting.

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Well I am hooked. Yes, Capote is an ahole, but so are the swans. I didn’t watch season one, about Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, because they were nice people and the series gave me the feels. I watched it because it was juicy, and I was hooked. Ditto s2.

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I don’t have to like a character to be compelled by their story. Capote and the Swans are all awful people, but the scandals are juicy stuff, and the performances are excellent. And just because they’re awful doesn’t mean they don’t have feelings. They do, and their pain is as real as anyone else’s.

It helps if you watch The Capote Tapes (also on Hulu).

There’s a documentary on free streaming sites about the Windsors (ex King Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson) in which the real CZ Guest speaks about her friendship with them. Her topics are shallow, eye-rolling frippery, but fascinating because of how much she lacks self reflection, like she thinks the world values these unimportant details. But the truth is, the real story is how much these people value their expensive frippery — because that is ALL they have. What empty lives.

Btw, if you watch that documentary film, it’s called Edward on Edward.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250357/?ref_=ttls_li_tt

It also has an alternate title, which is how I found it: Whatever Happened to the Windsors? You can watch it on Amazon Prime Video. Stream free on the Roku Channel

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I gave it a shot. Couldn't get through the first episode.

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I hate the way it’s edited. It jumps around too much and doesn’t allow the viewer to settle in

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Your faint praise is not convincing.

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Truman Capote doesn't interest me. In fact, the so called "Swans" don't interest me either.

I did enjoy "Bette and Joan" mainly because Joan Crawford and Bette Davis are fascinating (IMO).

This one may be worth a look. Mainly because I think Ryan Murphy does some good work.

But it's hard to get past the real life Truman Capote. I was a little boy when he was making an as%$# of himself on talk shows. He was a joke.

In fact, aside from "In COld Blood" - I'm not sure he accomplished much of anything. All I remember is he was a talk show joke.

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So far I love Capote vs. The Swans. It's kind of nice to have a show where all the main characters are unsympathetic. Not that it's an excuse for bad behavior, but the episodes have done a good job of explaining Truman's motivations - his not ever fitting in, his own mother's abandonment of him and NYC society's rejection of her. I can totally see why he did what he did. Vindication. Anyway - it's a complex story and I love it - perhaps because I have an interest in that time period - and the Swans dressed so well. I love the fashion!

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Two of the three producers on 'Capote vs the Swans" are Ryan Murphy and Gus Van Sant...quite famously, openly gay. There is a third producer name listed but I am not familar with him.

Consequently, the series seems to have a decidedly gay POV...as do aspects of Murphy's other series -- particularly his "Hollywood" mini of some years ago.

As a straight watching the series, I had to engage in the first episode with a pretty graphic gay seduction in a steambath by Capote of a younger man. This remains an interesting aspect of the "streaming era" -- there are a lot of shows about gay lifestyles in which the straight audience is invited to pretty much "take it or leave it" during scenes of homosexual love and sex.

And so, as a counterbalance, Capote is pitted against all these famous WOMEN -- Naomi Watts, Diane Lane, Calista Flockhart, Chloe Sevigny, Demi Moore, even an all-grown-up Molly Ringwald.

The opening episode DID feature a scene of a man having sex with a woman...but the vengeful woman made sure to have it during her period so as to leave telltale blood all over the cheating husband's bedroom shared with a cheated-upon wife. So that wasn't a particularly erotic scene...

It is an interesting watch so far -- yet another reminder to us lessers that life among the rich and famous can be pretty ghastly (the snobbery, the snubbing, the punishments)-- and compelling the straight viewer to enter the gay world. I expect that Murphy and Van Sant like it that way.

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Not the target audience for MC. Look at the shit that trends most of the time.
This is mostly a miniseries for women.

The season sounded good on paper but so far, I don't care about any of the characters. The actor playing Truman might be accurate but he's obnoxious.

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