The wrong shape


Three episodes and three dreadful experiences, that have virtually nothing to do with the original stories. Talk about dumbing down to sell a product,
but then again, what can you expect from writers of Eastenders, Casualty and holby city.
How can you have an episode called the Wrong shape and then make no reference to either the shape of the building and/or the shapes of the notes.
dreadful, dreadful, dreadful
1/10, the worse so far



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Clearly you missed it when Mrs Quinton (the wife) told Father Brown that her baby was born grotesquely deformed and has *the wrong shape*(she actually said the word!). I have no idea why you would connect the wrong shape to the shape of building or notes (well, maybe the writing, but not the shape of the note paper itself).

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thanks, that wasn't in the story.
In the original story, the building was the 'wrong shape' being very wide and only two rooms deep, the author (not poet) had pieces of note paper with the corners cut off (wrong shapes again) and the suicide note was on a similarly page, FB counted the missing corners and the pieces of paper and found that one corner was missing and that was because it had an apostrophe on it (I die by my own hand; yet I die murdered!), the doctor killed the author with a knife and it was a sealed room problem, they was no baby, no mistress, the yogi said very little, since he wanted nothing, there was a flambou.

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Its an adaptation.

Adaptations do not slavishly follow the stories which I understand were only a few pages. It seems a lot of people are enjoying it and viewing figures are much higher than average for the time slot, obviously these soap writers are doing something right.



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I never believe figures, you know what they say, there are lies, damn lies and statistics! :-)
there are popular shows and there are popular shows, like X factor, dancing with the stars, soap, reality shows.
I much prefer the midsomer murders, death in paradise and foyle's war, type popular programs.
Do these soap writers think they are better than GKC that they feel the right to 'Adapt' his work, you might as well argue that they should colourize black and white movies to make them more watchable :-)

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I'm sorry, you knock this adaptation, which in my opinion, will send people looking for the originals, yet you like Foyle's War.

Foyle's War, the amazing TV programme where he steps out of his front door turns left and is on the seafront without walking the half mile to do so. The TV programme where a Detective in Hastings deals with matters 20 miles away in Eastbourne. A programme that is heavily anachronistic.

I for one am thinking, having seen this series (episodes 1-4) and I would dearly love to be able to get to the library and borrow some GK Chesterton for my own education.

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I hope they will go looking for the originals, but I don't think the problems in these episodes will inspire views to look any further, because the causes, method of murder, murderer and ending have all changed, there is not much left of the original story

I don't mind location changes, only someone living or knowing hastings well would know the difference between it and eastbourne, but it's not the same as changing crucial details.

1 hammer of god
the main mystery is why such a small hammer?
blacksmith nowhere near the scene of crime
no gays
different motive of brother
no polish maid, old lady or lady whatever.
the brother tries to put the blame of the town simpleton.
attempted suicide on tower,(true that was included, but for the wrong reason)
no valentine, who was french and also dead by now.

2. the flying stars
flambeau mystery
no murder, just the problem of who stole the diamonds, and how the fact that the police were arriving and how flambeau used it to his advantage.
no train sequence, or squashed murder.
zombie valentine still present.

3. the wrong shape
very bad adaption, it was mainly a sealed room murder, a stabbing, suicide note that was the wrong shape, flambeau

4. the man in a tree
this was a new story, so I can't complain about the adaption, but why did he put the priest clothes on, he wanted nothing to do with his money or wallet, but decided to wear his clothes?
also why didn't the young girl mention it was a priest that had attacked her on the train?

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I have decided to completely avoid any comparions with either the real stories or the Kenneth More series.

This "Father Brown" simply bears no resemblance to the Chesterton books.

So on that basis the series stands or falls in its own right .. a bit like the Margaret Rutherford "Miss Marple" .. not Christie but fun in their own right.

I have issues with these Father Browns not because they are not pure Chesterton... but they are a sort of faux 50s. Nothing is real in the same way as the recent Marple series has been. Arch, overacted and in a way no respect for the original work or characters.

Sad really because the talent in front of the camera is excellent.

and can Inspector Valentine PLEASE do his tie properly... no-one of his status would be seen with his tie askew and button undone ...and in a way that sums up the series .. caricature, not the real thing..


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This link might help as to how the writers went about adapting the series. This includes writing original stories not based on the book and how they needed a cast of core characters hence the reason why Valentine is not killed off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/writersroom/posts/Tahsin-Guner-and-Rachel-Flowerday-on-developing-new-BBC-One-daytime-drama-Father-Brown


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thank you for that link, I have left some of my views, but I didn't really have that many characters to really let rip!! :-)

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Apart from the major plot differences, I think the characterisation of Father Brown was highly questionable in this story. The idea that it is "dangerous" to read the Gospel "too literally" is bizarre, and would surely not have been expressed by the character in the short stories. He is a devout man who takes his religion seriously, and would never have joined the Church if he did not believe in transubstantiation (for instance), which is a very "literal" view of the Gospel.

Much of the intrigue from the original stories comes from Chesterton's dialectical representation of Father Brown in relation to atheists, agnostics, Protestants and heathens. This theme was established in the very first story, with the contrast between Father Brown and Flambeau (who was posing as a priest), and between Father Brown and Valentin, the rationalistic secular detective. It is present in all of the subsequent stories, but it is barely present in this television series.

I also found it disappointing - but rather predictable - that the knife was removed from the story. I rather like Father Brown's reaction to the knife in the story: "it's the wrong shape in the abstract. Don't you ever feel that about Eastern art? The colours are intoxicatingly lovely; but the shapes are mean and bad – deliberately mean and bad". Of course, this is a sentiment which will never be expressed by the protagonist of a BBC programme, because it does not gel with the general editoral stance of the BBC (i.e. dogmatic pro-multiculturalism).

Instead, the scriptwriter chose to present Father Brown as a modernist, and as something of a cultural relativist. When the murderer criticises India in this episode, Father Brown responds by saying "have you ever been to India?", as if to suggest that his negative perception can only possibly be the result of ignorance. How does this relate to the quotation from my previous paragraph, in which Father Brown expresses a deep scepticism towards Western Orientalism? The point of that quotation is to stress a fundamental difference between the Roman Catholic Church and Hinduism, at least from the perspective of Father Brown (and, therefore, a difference between the civilisations and cultures which are largely predicated on the two religions). The disorder of their art is very different from the structure and unity of, say, Giotto or Bouguereau. It points to a separate disposition, but this was deliberately excised from the television adaptation.

Whatever one thinks of this perspective (I have seen several modern reviewers condemning Chesterton for it), it would be folly to deny that our protagonist has been substantially altered in order to conform with the BBC's contemporary standards. They might have been better off taking the fictional Anglican vicar from "Rev" (or somesuch original BBC creation) and writing him into a series of detective stories. At least then, they would not be transforming a classic character beyond recognition.

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Hear, hear!!

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