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A Black African Samson? What were they thinking?


There is no archaelogical evidence that ancient Israelites had any thing in common with members of the Negroid (to use the technical term) race. While this may not seem politically correct, it does conform to existing evidence and the widely shared opinion of scholars. Naturally, I will be accused of racism for insisting on historical accuracy. After all, Samson and Delilah are not Othello and Desdemona.

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I don't think you're being racist. It's a valid observation. I suspect its the makers' way of trying to represent the different races where they thought they could. Just as the two actors playing the angels in Lot's house were African and Asian. I prefer historical accuracy as well, but I won't quibble about the angels (I quibble more about Asian angel's sword play!)

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Thank you for your open minded thoughts. The ancient Hebrews were an Asiatic people. They had more in common genietically with Syrians, Turks, Armenians, Iranians (Persians), and Afghans. They were all caucasian, and like their latter day descendents would have tended to have olive complections.

In THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, George Stevens cast Sidney Poiter as Simon of Cyrene. Here's a fascinating quote from www.gotquestions.org:

"Question: "Who was Simon of Cyrene?"

Answer: Simon of Cyrene is mentioned in three of the four Gospels as the man impelled by the Roman soldiers to carry Jesus’ cross out of Jerusalem. His place of origin has led many to wonder if he was of African descent (and therefore black), or if he was simply born there as were many others of Greek, Roman, and Jewish descent.

Cyrene was situated in modern-day Libya, on the northern coast of the African continent. Settled by the Greeks in 630 B.C. and later infused with a significant Jewish population, Cyrene was the capital of the Roman district of Cyrenaica at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. By then, Cyrene was home to a large number of Greek-speaking, or Hellenistic, Jews.

Many Jews from Cyrene had returned to their native Israel and were part of a community in Jerusalem called the Synagogue of the Freedmen comprising Jews from many other provinces including Alexandria (Egypt), Cilicia and Asia (Acts 6:9). Luke records men from Cyrene being among those converted at Pentecost (Acts 2:10). After the martyrdom of Stephen (Acts 7), believers from Cyrene were among the first to be scattered by the persecution in Jerusalem; arriving in Antioch, they preached to the Gentiles there (Acts 11:20). These believers were instrumental in the formation of the church at Antioch, where, for the first time, “the disciples were called Christians” (Acts 11:26).

Simon of Cyrene is mentioned in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Matthew only records his name and place of origin (27:32), but Mark and Luke say that he was “on his way in from the country” (Luke 23:26). Mark, uncharacteristically, provides the most information about Simon, adding that he was “the father of Alexander and Rufus” (Mark 15:21), men obviously well known to Mark’s readers. It is speculated that the Rufus mentioned here may be the same man Paul greets in his letter to Rome, whom he calls “chosen in the Lord” and whose mother “has been a mother to me, too” (Romans 16:13). Paul’s knowledge of Rufus’s family indicates that at some point they lived further east.

So does any of this indicate whether Simon was black? Ultimately, we don’t know for sure. There is always the possibility that Simon was an African who converted to Judaism, or that he was of mixed descent. However, considering that people of Jewish lineage lived throughout the Roman Empire, it is also possible that Simon of Cyrene was olive-skinned."

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As you pointed out, Cyrene was home to a huge diaspora of Greek-speaking Jews.

I should also point out that in the Hellenistic world, Greeks never distinguished Jews on the basis of racial features or characteristics. Legal documents from Hellenistic Egypt show that, not only were Jews fair complected, but some had blue eyes as well.

It's as if the filmmakers couldn't fathom the notion of a "bear Jew" (ala Tarantino) but could embrace such hoary cliches as "the big black man," improbably applied to Samson.

Ridiculous.

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Honestly, I am surprised that historical records would state that some Jews (or Semites in general) would have had blue eyes. Of course, history is full of surprises. So, I could be mistaken. My impression was that most Semites in the Biblical time frame would have had olive complexions, which are still common in Mediterranean.

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Honestly, I am surprised that historical records would state that some Jews (or Semites in general) would have had blue eyes

As well you should be. It took quite some time before I ran across that information myself.

I was just (a little mischievously) waiting to see if anyone would be curious enough to pursue this further.

The only reason why blue eyes came up was because the parties to legal conflicts in Ptolemaic Alexandria were identified by first name and miscellaneous distinguishing characteristics.

Example from Ptolemaic Alexandria:

TEBTUNIS PAPYRUS III 817; CPJUD 1 23: “Apollonios, tall fair with rather bright blue eyes and protruding ears. Sostratos, middle height, fair, blue eyed, with a scar over his right eyebrow."

You can't tell they're Jews by their names, but they are identified in that document as such.

Cool, huh?

The only reason I suspect this isn't better known is that the ancient Palestine and biblical studies scholars don't read the Egyptologists. (They barely have enough time to pour over the germane & mushrooming studies in their own field.) The same is true, albeit to a lesser extent, of the Egyptologists.

But rest assured, I'm not contradicting you. I wouldn't state categorically that most Jews weren't olive-skinned. They probably were. But all evidence suggests that Jews, by appearance, were just another Mediterranean people with all the diversity that implies.

Nowadays it stands to reason that the Jewish people have become even more genetically diverse (substantial mixing with Slavic, Germanic, Turkish and Moroccan peoples, for example)

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Most fascinating!

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"if he was of African descent (and therefore black)"

I don't know what ignorant idiot believes that all Africans were/are black ...

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While the Sampson episode was entertaining, I agree that the portrayal of the character as negroid (I have a degree in physical anthropology) is likely inaccurate. I realize there is a need to portray ancient societies in modern politically correct lights , but the Hebrews were a Semitic people (the ancestors of modern Syrians, Israelis, Palestinians etc). Semites are by definition Caucasoids and contrary to popular belief not all Caucasoids have light skin (another example are Asian Indians). I realize that modern producers like to make "all inclusive" films but they often sacrifice accuracy as in the "shield maiden" in the Vikings...pure legend at best and best left to wonderful stories like LOTR.

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My apologies for the added P in Samson.

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Although I am simply a layman, I am aware that not all Caucasions are light skinned. Although I generally feel that this poorly conceived retelling of stories from The Bible is likely to be forgotten in time, it give us no insight or understanding of the meaning of these stories. Introducing an interracial aspect to story of Samson & Delilah only confuses the essence of it.

Philistines were Gentiles, whose ancestors originally came from the islands off the Greek mainland. It is probable that they came to the Egypt's Nile Delta and Canaan from Crete. They were probalby descended from the ancient Minoan culture of Crete and the Mycenaean culture of the Greek mainland.

The contrast between Samson, as a Semite, and Delilah, as a Gentile, is more than sufficient for dramatic purposes.

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If filmmakers these days are so all-fired up to cast black actors (which they SHOULD BE) let them make amends by producing more black cowboy movies. I forget the exact figure, but about a quarter of those Texas cowboys driving the cattle in the latter third of the 19th century were black.

Let them make THOSE movies and stop this nonsense where historical and, in this case, pseudo-historical films are concerned. Speaking of Vikings, can you imagine them casting Denzel Washington as Eric the Red?

It would never happen.

So I reiterate the OP's question.

What WERE they thinking?

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I'm curious as to where is the outrage and scholarship when Jesus is dipicted in movies and art as blue eyed, long sandy blonde hair and with very white european features? This is a classic example of "white privilege".

As a christian, the skin color is not important. We can assume some things about a bible character's race, but we are never certain. The bible never places an emphasis on a person's skin color. In my opinion, I'm sure the early hebrews were a mixture of olive to mildly dark skin people.

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The outrage is that this is presented on the History Channel and it implied to be history. The Bible is religious myth, with all the complexity of mythology. If it is to be seen in a historical context then it must be depicted with as much historical accuracy as can be brought to bear on it.

The image of a blue eyed, fair haired Jesus with northern European features has always been absurd.

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Nope. There's evidence of Jews with blue eyes from legal documents drawn up in Egypt in Hellenistic times.

I don't blame you for being unaware of it, it's fairly arcane knowledge, but it's worth knowing.

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Since Mary was a virgin conceived by God Jesus could have been any race or color but I would assume since the Jews were Gods chosen people that Jesus would resemble that culture in appearance and maybe blue eyes would distinguish him as unique to the typical Jewish look.

... End of line.

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I liked their interpretation. I don't really buy the actual events as fact in this case. It's a great parable that teaches a superb lesson. Why can't it do so with an African Samson? We're all God's children.

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Kikabi, I swear that during Asian angel's swordplay I was expecting some Mortal Combat music to start playing at any moment.




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I posted this in another thread, but I will say it again. If they wanted to be "pc" (which is clearly the case), they could have done it without sacrificing accuracy. Tziporrah, Moses wife, had dark skin (according to the original, Jewish, sources). I personally found the whole thing ridiculous. It was almost as if they did an a documentary on ancient Britain and suddenly Richard III was black. The constant concessions to political correctness gets tiring.

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Okay, of all the comments made in this thread, THAT was a racist statement.

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Would you make a film about a black Confucius?

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I'm curious as to where is the outrage and scholarship when Jesus is dipicted in movies and art as blue eyed, long sandy blonde hair and with very white european features? This is a classic example of "white privilege".

As a christian, the skin color is not important. We can assume some things about a bible character's race, but we are never certain. The bible never places an emphasis on a person's skin color. In my opinion, I'm sure the early hebrews were a mixture of olive to mildly dark skin people.

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The "outrage," at least from my point of view is that it's my history. As I said, there were black Jews then as there are now. But, Sampson was not one of them. I find offense in changing my history to fit a modern, politically correct, version of events.

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The idea of black "jews" or to be more specific, "black Hebrews," comes from the age of Solomon. Supposedly, the Queen of Sheba bore a son to King Solomon. Her followers "appropriated" the Ark of the Covenant and took it back to Ethiopia (which was part of the land of Sheba). At any rate, that's the legend.

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Again-there are, and have been black Jews for a very long time. However, nowhere, in any of the texts does it describe Sampson as being black. Most people just read the Bible, but Jews have had an oral history (written down as the Talmud, Mishnah, Midrash etc.)for as long as we have had the Bible. Nowhere does it infer that Sampson is black. As I said earlier, if they wanted to portray someone as black, it should have been Moses' wife.

As for all of this being "myth"...for Jews it is our history in addition to being a religious text. So to say that everything in it is "myth" is to say that all of Jewishw history is simply mythological. Just because it happened millenia ago, doesn't mean that it is "myth." Sampson, David, Moses etc. are as real to us as Columbus is to you (and me).

Roma Downey gave an interview last week and said that they made Sampson black so that the story would appeal to "all peoples." I think she meant well but it is a ridiculous comment. First of all, these stories have appealed to "all peoples" of the the world for most of human history because of their substance-not because of the skin color of the participants. Secondly, how would Native Americans feel if someone like Crazy Horse was portrayed as a blond haired blue eyed Englishman to "appeal to all peoples," or, how would blacks feel if Martin Luther King was portrayed as being Asian? It is the same exact thing here-it is more than just the stories contained in the Bible - it is also the history of the Jews. I have ZERO problem with portraying black Jews as being black - but don't change our history just to be "modern" - or, more cynically, to get higher ratings.

Lastly, the story of Sheba and Solomon happened long after the story of Sampson.

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^ this

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At least some were fair-skinned (perhaps the majority) and some had blue eyes.

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They never place an emphasis on race either since the concept of different "races" of people is more recent.

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If we're talking about accuracy then the angels should have been huge revolving rings of fire with a whole bunch of eyes.

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who cares, Jesus is played by a lily-white European, while in reality he was a Middle-Eastern Arabian type. So why not go all out then and cast a Black actor in one of the roles. You were at all interested in accuracy, in stead of just being a racits, you'd have called for Latino or Arab actors to have played the roles;)

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He was a Mediterranean type, possibly fair-skinned, and in all probability would blend right in with the current inhabitants of Israel.

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The current israelis look nothing like those of jesus' days or before. Most israelis come from eastern europe and the rest from north africa. Ofcourse people constantly change as a result of immigration. Maybe the ancient jews were green who knows

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It has been pretty well established that the first people were African, therefore Adam and Eve should have been portrayed by dark skinned people.

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Except for one thing. Genesis doesn't have the Garden of Eden placed in Africa. Regardless of what secular history says, these are stories (loosely) based on the Bible. According to the named rivers in chapter 2, it was in the Fertile Crescent somewhere, which is in the middle-east.

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Mesopotamia, which is modern day Iraq.

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Yeah, I'd say that's more accurate.

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Than but asian blacks in the gardern of eden.bLcks just do not live in africa but were widespread.
Blacks lived in arabia and other asia too before anybody anyway.

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Why conflate science with ethnic mythology?

Would you cast black actors to play Izanagi and Izanami as well?

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