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I'm an American. We have a colossally screwed up justice system. That being said, how was it possible Jimmy was on the streets after being involved in a fatal shooting, attempted shooting of an officer, all of which involved the prime suspect in a string of serial murders and a an abduction. How??!!!?!!

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Plot hole...huge stupid plot hole

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Well, after the shooting, he managed to escape in the van, and later used the journalist's car. Clearly, the journalist knew Jimmy and his violent reputation and all Jimmy's friends who would retaliate if he were to report his car stolen, so the journalist did nothing.

That portion of the show occurred over only a few days. When they finally bring in Spector, they mention the kidnapping had only happened four days before; Jimmy's face was still raw and battered by the end. In a city, eluding the police in a car they don't know about doesn't seem unreasonable.



I support, defend and always employ the Oxford comma.

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He escaped, were you not paying attention, American?

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I found that scene in which Jimmy and his pal have a shootout with the duo of policemen to be highly unrealistic when you really think about it.

First of all the police let Jimmy escape with the stolen service firearm of the other officer. When Jimmy climbs inside the truck and attempts to speed away, the male officer does not even attempt to stop Jimmy's escape by even firing warning shots. They just basically let him go despite the fact that Jimmy fired at the officers while attempting to get to his truck.

When Jimmy speeds away, the police just decide to stick around the crime scene and magically there isn't a massive manhunt going on for his capture despite the fact that he just stole a police service pistol, fired at a pair of uniformed officers and was attempting to murder a man moments before the police arrived on scene.

Naturally that female officer was incapable of function during the shootout because of the bullet fired at her, but you'd think that catching a man who just attempted to kill a pair of officers with a stolen firearm would be a pretty high priority target for capture.

Now, I'm prepared to admit that I know nothing of PSNI tactics or procedures during such situations, but if I would be an officer acting in a similar situation, I'd attempt to neutralize the armed suspect as quickly as possible after checking out if my partner would be OK.

If there would be an armed suspect at almost arms length of me like in that situation, I wouldn't hesitate to fire at him/her in order to neutralize the deadly threat as quickly as possible. I wouldn't just let someone escape with a stolen firearm especially if I'd get a clear shot at his escape vehicle and indirectly at him as well.

Then there's the scene in which Jimmy uses a pair of cutters to remove that tracking device band he has around his ankle because of his parole. Why couldn't the police track his location with the device? Aren't those things meant to be capable of telling the authorities where the criminal is at given times if needed?

Overall I think this series grew rapidly worse as it progressed. The premise was interesting enough, but especially towards the end some of the decisions that the PSNI officers make seem very odd and even unrealistic when taking into account what they already knew of i.e. Paul Spector.

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Now, I'm prepared to admit that I know nothing of PSNI tactics or procedures during such situations, but if I would be an officer acting in a similar situation, I'd attempt to neutralize the armed suspect as quickly as possible after checking out if my partner would be OK.


Exactly.

I was at the PSNI training center (not in Belfast but of town) and one of the folks visiting posed the probably oft-asked question of most PSNI or other armed police--when you shoot do you ever shoot to disable?

The PSNI officer was very polite and soft spoken, but, made it VERY clear the center of the torso is the target--end of. If you are forced draw your weapon in a situation that warrants it and the suspect is putting you or a fellow officer in a life and death situation and he's armed, you shoot to kill.

So, seeing what Jimmy was doing and how nuts it was, it made me wonder of the PSNI folks were watching the show laughing and pointing at how absurd the whole scene was!

My god, Belfast has helicopters, massive riot vehicles, procedures to shut down the city in a heart-beat....it's such a super-annuated police force, compared to anywhere else in Britain OR even in Europe due to the Troubles history as well as the problems that simmer even today just below the surface. And can erupt at any moment. They are READY.

They could have had Jimmy from a helicopter or by closing all routes within minutes.

Nobody gets away with....poo....in Belfast! Good lord.

Thought for a moment I'd blinked and the channel had switched to bucolic Inspector Wallender's Ystad.

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Thank you for this, CobblersAwls. I have been to the UK, though not Northern Ireland, as well as other European countries and thought the enormous resources the Belfast Police seemed to have in this show was unrealistic, though of course I knew the Troubles were a possible explanation. I wonder if Paris and Brussels are now putting renewed resources into their local police.

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even before the recent terrorist troubles France seems to have loads of police.


Being a British person visiting France several times since the 1980s it always strikes me how many police are standing around,often with lots of weapons.

Likewise Brussels,lots of police,in theory the British police are policing with consent,so not usually armed but on continental europe it is more macho,but Britain has more armed police nowadays and Northern Ireland was always different.

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