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Loved it until the last two words... *SPOILERS*


Anyone else feel Joker's big moment was undermined with his saying, "Batman... Darling..."? The line seems so anticlimactic, especially for those who haven't read the graphic novel. For instance, I didn't realize the significance of the line, until someone told me that the graphic novel hints Joker has a homosexual attraction toward Batman. Beforehand, I was slightly confused as to what Joker's line even meant.

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Well, i haven't read the graphic novel, although I want to. I simply thought the line was meant to be disturbing, the Joker is insane, everyone knows that without having to ask, so I just took it as twisted way to express his delight that Batman returned.

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In a very eerie way the Joker probably does think he's Batman's soul mate. Not sexually of course, but I've never read the graphic novel either. Like in THE DARK KNIGHT, the Joker says "you complete me."


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There is sexual undertones from The Joker to Batman, he grabs his arse in one issue

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Joker and Batman are hopelessly intertwined. When Batman retired and went into seclusion, the joker went catatonic as result of that decision by Bruce Wayne. The reemergence of Batman broke Joker out of that catatonic state. This series and the "Killing Joke" series are almost entirely based on this concept.

That being said, none of the movies have anything to do with this theme. When people compare the movies to these series of books, they are quite wrong. After all, the second Nolan movie is an origin story as opposed to delving into these diametrically opposed characters and their decades long struggle with each other.

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Even so, The Dark Knight touches on their lasting relationship, "we are destined to do this forever" and the whole interrogation scene is poignant to this and how alike The Joker thinks they are

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True, but that statement is a prediction as opposed to a true history.

Dark Knight Returns shows the culmination of all those decades living as an almost symbiotic being. I guess it could be spun into some sort of weird sexual thing, but I seriously doubt that was Frank Miller's purpose when he wrote that line for Joker.

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While this adaptation does seem to imply that Joker is, in his own twisted way, in love with Batman, it doesn't have to be interpreted that way. It's possible that the connection the two share could be Joker viewing their "relationship" as something akin to love, in a way that Batman was Joker's soul reason for being, and this does seem to be the case as without Batman, Joker was more or less in a vegetative state, and didn't "wake up" until it registered to him that Batman returned.

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