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This is the truth why there's hate and love for this crap.


I'm in my forties. A kid in grade five asked me if I saw "Star Wars". To him, Star Wars and Last Jedi are the same. It's a movie his dad brought him to see and it was awesome. To me, it was the third rehash of things I've seen before. It was a movie targeting kids so I have no place comparing it to the original. The original took months of matte shooting just to make a ship fly but now we can use cgi to make 100 ships fly in less then a day. With the original you just knew ticket sales at best. Now, we know how many girls of what age with what dates, ethnicity, spending habits, income levels, geographic locations, confectionery cheque sizes etc etc. I didn't like it. But the kid loved it. Disney isn't stupid. As little long as a movie can withstand the criticism of anyone under 12 years old, it's going to make money. As for us older folk wanting quality for our standards, it will never happen.

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they're kids movies... not ever going to measure up to adult standards...

time for older fans to move on...

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Wait until your old and experience all the racism, bullying and humiliation that goes along with it. Thank goodness for all the elderly abuse charities but it's not enough.

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i'm in my late 30s and realised decades ago that Star Wars and comicbook movies were made with kids in mind...

As much as I liked Batman Returns as a 12 year old, I had moved on by the time the latter movies came out... I grew up and childish movies didn't appeal much anymore... Yeah, I'll still go if friends want to see them and enjoy as much as I can, but I know they're not made for me... it's for the kids...

I don't know what this has to do with racism, bullying and humiliation of the elderly, which is sad and dispiriting, but I'm glad there are some people there to help...

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This is a movie for kids. It's very basic and shallow, the motivations of the "bad guys" are boring or non existent. The only reason you watch it is because it's popular.

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While I agree with you, the thing is that the two goals need not be mutually exclusive. Why can't a film be made that offers what kids are looking for but respects the older fan and matches their expected standards as well? It's not impossible. A good example is Wall-E. Great, entertaining film for kids, who love the central character, but also has a solid story and deeper themes for adults. I loved it, my wife loved it, and my grandkids all loved it too. Ok, it's a Pixar CGI film, but the point remains - why can't a Star Wars film be made to a similar standard?

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This is one of the best posts I've ever read.

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The original trilogy was for kids, too. But it could also be enjoyed by adults. It was a good story, well told. The Last Jedi is a dumb story told badly. It was beautiful to look at, had some really good acting, but the plot was borderline non-existent. It was simply a series of events strung together by an illogical thread. I did love the porgs, though.

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From what I can tell, most people are pissed off because this film was a convoluted mess with too many story lines, too many characters and lack of continuity of the original in terms of character behavior.

In fact, it seems like Luke's fate and his actions are the most divisive here. Most contend that Luke would not behave the way he did. It's possible for Luke to change in a major way, but we weren't shown anything that would cause such drastic change (I'm talking about his desire to take out Ben Solo in his sleep, not his behavioral change after the school burning).

There is plenty of love for this film though because it panders to women - all of the depicted, and often fearless, leaders in the rebellion are now women. Most of the dudes are shown as being either trigger happy morons or absolute cowards. From what I gather, most of the praises for this film seem to stem from the female population.

As for me - I didn't like any of the prequels or sequels. I did think some of the, now non-canon, books were pretty good.

There's no doubt that I have changed - most of the big budget films for me are a big miss - meanwhile, they are all getting higher scores than godfather and its kin. Am I getting too old? I doubt it - my opinion in films tends to differ from most people of my age as well, which means the age has nothing to do with it.

Having said that - I seem to be more in tune with the majority when it comes to TV series. Breaking bad, shield, sopranos - they all got critical acclaim, and yet I find myself praising them as well. For sci fi, I'm more of a star trek fan and we have 2 trek shows going now - both of which are vastly superior to anything Star Wars related (it's all a matter of opinion, of course).

At the end of the day, while we all change over time, you also need to consider that film making process changed as well. When compared to our day, too many of the modern films focus on flashy graphics and little plot coherence.

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This film is suffering from the said lack of plot coherence and continuity - in other words, it's not just our age that's the problem, it's also the fact that big budget films these days place more focus on flashy graphics than on plot/character development (there's a good reason why none of the new SW characters stand out - very little time was spent on developing them).



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"The original took months of matte shooting just to make a ship fly but now we can use cgi to make 100 ships fly in less then a day. "

You have no idea what you are talking about. CGI rendering takes a hell of a lot longer than matte shooting. Just one single frame can take literally hours of computer processing, and that's after the team of dozens of artists have worked on the image for days.

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You can make a ship fly across the screen in a few minutes. It might be TV broadcast quality but it can be done. I've done it. Ya, Pixar's Renderman or other effects software take time to process but so did film. I'm talking about man hours. Labour is expensive and doesn't work 24 hours like stacked CPU's. I wasn't trying to write a fifty page manual on how it works, I was making a point in a few words. That films are not made now as they were. Chill out. And it doesn't take hours to render a frame unless you're using one 486 clone from the early nineties.

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"I'm talking about man hours."

Take a look at the huge number of people credited for working on effects in a modern Star Wars movie and compare the list with those employed by the original trilogy. Man hours required has increased exponentially.

"And it doesn't take hours to render a frame unless you're using one 486 clone from the early nineties."

Wrong. I have heard people with professional special effects backgrounds say that in some cases a single frame would take hours to render in today's tech.

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True, but this is why we use render farms with thousands of CPUs and GPUs to cut down on that time.

I think Shrek was the first movie to fully take advantage of that, with Shrek 2 showing a remarkable upgrade on how effective technology can become in such a short time span.

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