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CHINA BoxOffice update: Beyond climbs up to $65.1M!

posted 8 years ago by persecuted
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Update: Sep. 26

Now at $65.1 mil!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=startrek2016.htm
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Sep. 18

Tack on another $9M from this past week , up to $62.5m baby! Woohoo....

http://www.cbooo.cn/realtime
copy/paste, use chrome translate (current forex: 1 USD = 6.67 RMB)

Sep. 15

I might be the only one who predicted Beyond to do better than STID's $57 mil gross in China, and now it has surpassed that in 14 days with $58.5 mil. Almost everyone else mocked me, saying Beyond will do way less than STID because Beyond has grossed less in the US, UK, etc. than its predecessors.......You bunch of ignoramuses

http://www.cbooo.cn/realtime
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Sep. 11:
Beyond is the #1 movie for the second straight weekend in China with over $11.4 mil
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/?yr=2016&wk=37&p=new
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Sep. 8
Trek does solid weekday business, pulling in $12mil USD from Mon. to Thur (Sep. 5 to 8); currently total china gross at $43.9mil USD

http://www.cbooo.cn/realtime
copy/paste, use chrome translate

Sep. 4
Wow, Trek made $9 mil on Friday, with people thinking maybe $27 mil weekend, but it has such good word of mouth, the weekend tally ended up over $31 mil! This is a great sign that Chinese moviegoers like it, and should make more than $105 mil!!

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-star-trek-beyond-china-1201852068/#respond

http://deadline.com/2016/09/star-trek-beyond-china-secret-life-of-pets-suicide-squad-dont-breathe-oversease-weekend-results-international-box-office-1201813293/ (if links don't work, just copy and paste, since I've updated this OP)

Sep. 3:
Trek rakes with over 57% of all weekend ticket sales
http://www.cbooo.cn/realtime
....use chrome translate

Sep. 2, 2016: looking good, as it debuts to 160% more than STID, with more than $9 mil USD,, Forbes say Trek Beyond should make over $100 mil USD (670 mil RMB) in China:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/09/02/box-office-star-trek-beyond-blasts-off-in-china-with-9-3-million-opening-day/#7606af441582

Sep.1, 2016: Trek cleans house with 47% of all Friday pre-sales

http://www.askci.com/news/chanye/20160901/07585458652.shtml

(You might want to use Chrome translate)

[–] Syboat 8 years ago

Awesome

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Is it? Seems persecuted has cherry-picked what he wants you to hear. Read the rest of the article he linked to and it's not so rosy. Here are more salient parts of it that he completely ignores.

There is a chance that the Paramount/Viacom Inc. picture could soar above $100 million (so sayeth China Film Insider), and a multiplier similar to Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation would get it to $70m. but that won’t make Star Trek Beyond into a hit by itself.
...
So yes, unless it’s crazy frontloaded in China (always possible), we’re probably looking at a $300 million+ worldwide total, but on a $185m budget. These films still cost way too much. At some point, if Star Trek is to survive as a feature film franchise, Paramount needs to realize that this is never going to be the kind of series that makes Guardians of the Galaxy or even Mission: Impossible money. Star Trek is all-but-doomed to be a series that doesn’t go crazy overseas.

And Star Trek Beyond will now likely join a handful of “big” movies where a strong performance in China wasn’t enough to make them into outright hits.

[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

Did it list a dollar amount?

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hmm, looks like 2.5 mil RMB ($370,000 USD) Thurs. midnight showing; should exceed STID's China gross, double the amount........

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Insiders in China forecast $105 mil USD for Beyond

http://chinafilminsider.com/china-screen-paramount-trek-promo-campaign-reaches-stars/

[–] bozo_500 8 years ago

China is *beep* in' loving it lol

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Bro that's nothing! 

That POS The Force Awakens made $33 million in China on its first day. Mission Impossible Rouge Nation made $18 million its first day. Jurassic World made $17 million. Terminator Genesys made $27 million. Civil War made $30 million. Furious 7 $55 million.

Beyond will be lucky if makes more than $30 million for the weekend, half what it did in America and just a little more than STID did opening weekend. Persecuted has been going on and on for weeks it was making $150 million. 

Its not going to get close to that now. Persecuted dad probably works for Alibaba and told him he'll get a bike if Star Trek passes $100 million.

Persecuted might not get that bike now. 😢 Maybe if Alibaba was smarter it should've invested in Disney because those movies make tons in China.

China is not saving it. Its still going to fall far below $400 million and be a big flop.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Hey, don't rag on Alibaba. I own a big chunk of their stock. (Even though I'm a stupid, racist American, according to persecuted.) It did admittedly give me a bad case of heartburn when the stock sunk badly in the last year, but luckily it's back up now.

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Sorry bro. I have nothing against Alibaba but you have to admit their venture with Paramount probably isn't going as big as they hoped.

Another link in that article Persecuted was bragging about said even Mission Impossible Rogue Nation which made $90 million opening weekend in China and $135 million overall only made the company $10 million. I don't know how much they invested but they were obviously looking for more than $10 million from that movie, especially all the marketing they poured into it. And that movie was actually a big hit in China but they probably was hoping it would do at least $150 million.

Actually my mistake. Just reread the article, Alibaba only made $1 million in actual profit from Rogue Nation. The $10 million was revenue. Damn, how does only 10% of your revenue end up as profit. Welcome to China I guess.

http://chinafilminsider.com/china-screen-paramount-trek-promo-campaign-reaches-stars/

We'll see what Beyond does for the weekend but I doubt it will make half of what Rogue Nation made now and Persecuted been going on for weeks how much marketing they spent on it. I'm sure they were hoping opening day would at least be in the double digits.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

He'd better hope it doesn't follow the same pattern as everywhere else, with big drops every week as bad word of mouth spread. He crowed about how it had the biggest Trek opening ever in South Korea, but $9m is barely more than double the $4m first day there, and the Korean gross is topping out at around $10m like I predicted. So if China continues to track with Korea, it's going to make maybe $20 to 30m, far short of the $150m persecuted keeps insisting it will make.

One of his big mistakes is insisting promotion trumps all. If that were true, then every movie could be heavily advertised and all of them would be hits.

By the way, did you notice he's not responding to you or me anymore? I think we made his ignore list, likewise any of the other posters who disagreed with him.

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

If you mean $20-30 million for the weekend yeah it will make at least that this weekend. It could make a little more. But no way is it making $150 million if it only makes $30 million this weekend. Persecuted must be 12 years old, he can't be this dumb at 15. Or maybe he can.

And I went to check Korea and see how 'big' that gross was and its Korea's 223rd biggest opening weekend.  That's embarrassing, why brag at all then? I thought it was in the top 10 or 20. And it only made $250 thousand more than STID did anyway and its going to make less than it in the end because it dropped harder in its second week. Its third week it will be lucky if makes over $700 thousand now.

He's been bumping this thread for a whole week now bragging about how much marketing and promotion they been doing on this film in China so when it falls under $50 million for opening weekend, he can't use the same BS that Beyond failed because it had little marketing, the same BS he was pulling about America and Europe which wasn't even true.

I don't think he has me on ignore, he's probably reading it all, just ignoring to respond because he knows we're right. 

And if he does, then he's going to put this whole board on ignore (the people who still come here because now its dead) because everyone here told him it was no way this thing was making $150 million. Even fangirl retard ScrystaLz has given up that Beyond will be a success and abandoned these boards. She know she was dead wrong, he will finally learn as well in a few days.

[–] Protozoid 8 years ago

You think that 160 percent more than STID made opening weekend is "just a little"? LOL troll

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Bro, what are you talking about it didn't make 160% more only 20% more. 

That was for the first day only. But for the weekend it only made $30 million. STID made $25 million. Basic math guy, that's 20%. If it was really 160% then the movie would've made, wait for it, $65 million. It didn't make that much, did it? 

Want to call someone a troll, uh, learn basic math first so you won't embarrass yourself like this again.

And that doesnt count for all the huge marketing Alibaba did for this movie that Persecuted been bragging about for weeks. He thought it was going to make $75 million this weekend because of how much promotion they were doing in his home country.

He was dead wrong! 

This movie will be lucky if it makes it to $75 million in its entire run now.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Beyond is #1 for the weekend! Dominates with 57% of all tickets sold in China!

http://www.cbooo.cn/realtime

[–] Syboat 8 years ago

Brilliant!

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Wow, in China Trek opened to little over $9 mil USD, thus with "forecasted" gross with $27 mil in mind, but it made over $30 mil for weekend!

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago



Look at this retard try to spin away a crap opening! This is what he said last week:

persecuted » 6 days ago (Sun Aug 28 2016 11:22:23) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2008
Clive,

wait for it, wait for it.....Sep. 2 - 4 weekend, .....Explosion at China and Latin America box office , with $75 million weekend opener in China and another $25 mil weekend in Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc.,

Ohh, your $250 mil world gross has just become $350 mil......!!!!

So China was suppose to open with $75 million according to this idiot and another $25 million around the world. Now he's in desperation mode saying how great it did when it only made $30 million. That's just $5 million more than STID opened with and thats without all the amazing promotion he's been bragging about with Alibaba.

And it made less than $10 million in the rest of the world. So Persecuted was only off by $60 million. I guess his dad who works at Alibaba isn't going to buy him that bike now.

Next week the movie is going to drop hard in China. It will be lucky if it makes $65 million there. 

Movie is done. Its not going to even make $350 million now and it needed $400 million to break even. Its going to lose millions of dollars.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Let's not forget his long thread about how it was a lock for $150m in China. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Thanks for reminding me. Looks like its time to go bump that! 

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

It was Forbes who predicted $150 mil gross in China, I just supported their prediction with evidence of good Chinese marketing. So, now Forbes predict $100 mil, still a lot better than you losers who kept on saying, oh, Beyond won't gross more than STID's $57 mil china take........

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

No retard, it was you with only an 8th grade education and English as a second language who said that's what Forbes predicted. 

Everyone told your retarded ass thats NOT what Forbes said. All it said was it would make around $300 million WITH China. Everyone told you that, you kept telling everyone including me I didn't know what I was talking about.

So you didn't 'support' their prediction retard because that was never their prediction. Everyone told you that but you ignored them.

And you have the nerve to call other people losers....you said last week Beyond was making $75 million opening weekend. 

Look at Persecuted spin and backtrack. This is what happens when you try to make a turd look like gold.

[–] AmigaWolf 8 years ago

Not only that, it made more money this weekend then it did last weekend in the USA, he went from 15th place to 14th place +8.3%.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

A movie that people thought was going to make at least $200+ million like the other two is now being praised because it hasn't completely died yet at $155 million. That's what we call low praise. 

Its $100 million behind what Star Trek 09 did and $80 million less than what STID did. I'm sure Paramount is thrilled it made another $2 million though.

Beyond is going to cost Paramount $50+ million at least.

[–] douces 8 years ago

I think it picked up some Imax screens, that's why. It will get another boost when it goes to discount theaters as well. Should be able to hit $160 million domestic. Not a huge success, but it has recovered a bit. I was hoping for at least a $180 million domestic finish.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Beyond has a good shot at $100 mil USD in China, because look at upcoming movie releases in China:

9 September 2016

The Shallows (2016)
Nine Lives (2016)
Absolutely Anything (2015)
Black Sea (2014)

15 September 2016

A Chinese Odyssey: Part Three (2016)
Hide and Seek (2016)
Aegean Love (2016)

20 September 2016

Bastille Day (2016)

23 September 2016

Storks (2016)
Eiga Chibi Maruko-chan: Itaria kara kita shounen (2015)

None of these movies are big budget competitors

[–] AmigaWolf 8 years ago

I really hope so, I want to see a Star Trek movie made by J.J. Abrams again, he is very good director.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Not gonna happen. Here's the bad news persecuted left out (again).

https://twitter.com/chinaboxoffice

STAR TREK BEYOND earned est. ¥18.5M ($2.8M) on Friday, -71% from opening day. China's total stands at ¥301M ($45M)

71%! That's worse that its US drop after the first week.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

What's TVholic doing here? Didn't you predict "way lower than STID" gross for Beyond in China? Well, Beyond is already at $46.1 mil in China and counting........

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

No, I didn't. But you did predict $150m for China. Repeatedly and vehemently. Good luck with that. It's going to struggle to hit even $60m at this rate. Get back to us in two weeks.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hey, what's Pumba doing here? Didn't you say Beyond will gross less than STID? U r here to eat humble pie?

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Says the coward that has everyone on ignore. 

Didn't the retard say it was making $150 million? And he has the nerve to talk about others. This retard can't get the Chinese don't give a *beep* about this movie either but he'll understand soon. 

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Hey, what's persecuted doing here? Oh, the same, old thing - trying to convince everyone that STB is a worldwide hit.

[–] question7 8 years ago

the same for me, I liked justin lin but I like abrams more

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

The warthog Pumba and old timer TVholic are crying .......only about $4 mil more in China to match STID's $57 mil gross.......

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

And only $97 million away from getting to $150 million you retard. 

Look at Persecuted now, trying to claim victory a movie he was bragging about a few days ago could now hit $100+ million is now settling on what everyone was telling his dumb ass weeks ago that this movie was never going to hit big in China, just do what the last one did.

What happen to all that bragging about Alibaba? Or that this would be bigger than Star Wars? 

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

And only $97 million away from getting to $150 million. 

Look at Persecuted now, trying to claim victory a movie he was bragging about a few days ago could now hit $100+ million is now settling on what everyone was telling his dumb ass weeks ago that this movie was never going to hit big in China, just do what the last one did.

What happen to all that bragging about Alibaba? Or that this would be bigger than Star Wars? 

I think reality has finally hit him at least. I been saying this movie will do between $50-60 million when he got on my case about it and looks like I will be proven right after all. It fell 70% this weekend there, worse than America's second weekend. I don't know why this film couldn't get the word of mouth but it to fall so hard in the second weekend in so many markets is what kept it from being successful overall.

Marvel 2016: Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Civil War, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage!

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Aw, FC Tiger the coward, who makes girly predictions with, oh, Trek will make $50 to $60 mil in China, maybe $75 mil.....claiming

I will be proven right after all

Heck, maybe you also claim, hmm, I will lose 10 to 50 pounds, and then lose 10 pounds and claim success?

be a man and admit that you stated many times, that Beyond would make less than STID, thus your $50 mil China prediction was dead wrong!

As for the $150 mil China prediction, I was only quoting Forbes.
As for the $100 mil China prediction, I was also quoting Forbes.

It didn't fall 70% you spinster, It fell from $30.8 mil opening weekend to $11.1 mil second weekend, thus a 64% drop. It had strong weekday sales at $12 million Mon. to Thur.

And do you egocentric, Americo-centric, Anglo-centric arrogant pompous droids realize that Sep. 15 is a major Chinese holiday, the Mid-Autumn Moon festival, when movie goers will flock theaters for the upcoming 4 day weekend? Beyond will definitely make more than $60 mil, idiots

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

No one is trying to insult your country Persecuted. All people are saying is Star Trek is not very popular there. How can you blame us 'Americo-centric' people for the lower box office in China, did we tell you guys not to see it? Simple fact is not many Chinese people wanted to see it or it would've done more like Star Wars, Mission Impossible or Terminator, right? Tell your friends to go see it there more, don't get upset because we simply stated reality.

LOL sorry, I was wrong it didn't drop 70% but 64%. That's still pretty bad dude. And its still worse than America's second weekend. 

As for the $150 mil China prediction, I was only quoting Forbes.

Forbes NEVER said this. Show me the direct quote where Forbes said it was making $150 million please? Show me.

As for the $100 mil China prediction, I was also quoting Forbes.

Forbes NEVER said this. Show me a the direct quote where Forbes said it was making $100 million please? Show me.

Everyone told you you were reading it wrong. You're still a teenager so I can understand how you read it wrong, but you did read it wrong, period. 

Aw, FC Tiger the coward, who makes girly predictions with, oh, Trek will make $50 to $60 mil in China, maybe $75 mil.....claiming

Huh?

Have you admitted you were 'dead wrong' when you said this two weeks ago:

persecuted » 6 days ago (Sun Aug 28 2016 11:22:23) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2008
Clive,

wait for it, wait for it.....Sep. 2 - 4 weekend, .....Explosion at China and Latin America box office , with $75 million weekend opener in China and another $25 mil weekend in Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc.,

Well, we been waiting for it man. Its now Sept. 11th in my part of the world, a whole week later....has STB made its $75 million there yet? 

And you are telling me I'm wrong? That's funny.

How am I being a 'coward'? I don't know the EXACT number man lol. And dude you have predicted STB would make ANYWHERE from $75 million to $150 million so what are you talking about?

Your predictions are ALL over the place lol. Thats the other problem. I been saying the same number since I posted it. Dude you been throwing out every crazy figure here for weeks now...and they were still all wrong. All of them. Dude I read a post from you weeks ago where you said Star Trek Beyond would make $300 million in China alone.

Did you not say that? I know you did. And you are actually trying to call me out for making a reasonable prediction of $50-60 million? Didn't STID make between $50-60 million??? So whats the problem? And this one will make around the same as that one, right?

Persecuted, I have tried to make reasonable predictions, not the silly fanboy ones like you do. Thats why most of them have come much closer to reality than yours do, including China. I have always stuck by my $50-60 million prediction for a REASON, because I understand how BO works. You don't. And thats OK, but you keep proving to be wrong over and over and over and over and over again. You said this movie would open at $75 million. Its not going to make that TOTAL lol. And yet you get upset because others are telling you the reality that Star Trek is not popular in Asia. Never has been. Maybe one day it will in another decade or so, but not now.

Look I'm HAPPY you are a Star Trek fan and want it to succeed. I just wish more people in Asia felt like you did about it, but the reality is they don't. Don't blame me man.

And as I said it will probably make between $60-65 million. So I will still only be off by 10-15%. You said it would do $100 million which means you will be off by 40%.

Marvel 2016: Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Civil War, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage!

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Have you noticed how he's resorting more and more to namecalling as his predictions fall? Not that I ever agreed with Pumba's constant overuse of the term "retard," but this is a sure sign of desperation.

And you weren't completely wrong. China BO was down 71% on Friday, just not overall for the weekend. This will end up making a bit more than STID, but about the same after adjusting for inflation, which is bad because the budget was higher.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Wait, box office goes up on holidays? Really? Then why didn't you take that into account when it went up last week during the Labor Day weekend in the US? No, instead, you went all delirious about how "Star Trek Beyond has legs!" FYI, it's down 62% this weekend, to under $1m. Those legs have been cut off at the knees.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

You were quoting Forbes. You were quoting Forbes. You keep saying this without providing an actual quote. Here are some actual quotes from Forbes that you didn't want to read:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/09/05/box-office-china-cant-turn-a-flop-into-a-blockbuster/

All things considered, Star Trek Beyond had a pretty decent weekend... The Paramount/Viacom Inc. film may do anywhere from $70m to $100m in China alone, a robust total that would be well over the previous Star Trek movies and would put the film on track for an over/under $350m global cume. But it’s not enough to make it a hit, not even close.

It is the latest “big” movie to do big business in China and still not qualify as a worldwide hit. We all talk about how the Chinese marketplace is changing Hollywood for better or worse. It bears reminding again that, with a few exceptions, a robust performance in China cannot make a flop into a hit, especially when studios often get back just 25% of the ticket price.
...
Regarding the big-scale would-be blockbusters, China either helps already huge movies do even better or does no harm to already successful films.
...
The idea that Hollywood must dumb down its blockbusters to appeal to China (or around the world) is both insulting and not indicative of the general results.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

OOoooooohhhh, only a few more $millions USD to go until Beyond matches STID's $57 mil gross in China! TVholic now will go back to the nursing home and be quiet. Pumba will go back to the jungle to play with the other warthogs and be quiet......

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

And only $18m away from what you predicted it would make on its opening weekend. Yes, you're really on a roll here.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Yeah he predicted $75 million opening...funny how he seem to forgot that...no one else here has though.

Marvel 2016: Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Civil War, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage!

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

I've got a link that works.

Star Trek Beyond retained its place atop the Chinese box office, but the film dropped well below warp speed in its second weekend.

The Paramount franchise sequel earned $11.3 million from Friday to Sunday, a 66 percent slip from its solid $33.3 million opening. With a current total of $53.5 million in the Middle Kingdom, Beyond should beat the $57.1 million Star Trek Into Darkness earned in China in 2013, although not by much.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-star-trek-927723

It's done better than expected in China but not by much and that won't save the film.
Beyond now may top out at about $345 million worldwide box office.
Better than expected but still a flop.

Remember at a minimum a movie needs to make double its production budget which would be $370 million for Beyond.

And again, I liked the film. But the numbers don't look good.

BB ;-)

it is just in my opinion - imo - 🌈

[–] bozo_500 8 years ago

it still has a couple of places to open (e.g. Japan) and not done in china yet - so it should easily get to 350m ww (like Tarzan)...maybe more 370-380m (like ID:R)

[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by bozo_500;

'it still has a couple of places to open (e.g. Japan) and not done in china yet - so it should easily get to 350m ww"

With Japan it should get to about $355 million.
Still a flop.

Remember a film has to at least make double its production budget which for Beyond is $370 million to not be a certain flop.
And that would be just to avoid it definitely losing money.
It would not mean if Beyond got that far that it would make money for certain.
I would need to see estimates for the total budget to calculate that.
Marketing costs can be almost as expensive as production costs.

As for Legend of Tarzan; at this moment it is not above double its production cost which = a flop.
And Independence Day R is only about $55 million above double its production budget. It probably is in the area of breaking even. I'd need total box office to figure out more.

BB ;-)

it is just in my opinion - imo - 🌈

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Remember at a minimum a movie needs to make double its production budget which would be $370 million for Beyond.

The listed budget is $185 mil, but remember, they shot in Vancouver and Dubai to take advantages of the tax rebates in Canada and the Middle East, so I say that's a savings of at least $15 mil there.

Therefore, their budget should come down to about $170 mil. So this means in a week, Beyond will reach $340 mil, thus be a

BONAFIDE HIT!

Roll the cameras for Trek 4, let's see Pine Kirk, Thor Kirk, and grandpa Kirk Shatner.........

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Beyond should beat the $57.1 million Star Trek Into Darkness earned in China in 2013, although not by much.

Do you ignorant Americo-Anglo-centric droids know that Sep. 15 is Mid Autumn Moon Festival Day and a four day weekend in China, where droves of people will flood the cinemas? I'll bet Beyond will make more than just "not by much ($57 mil)........" It should reach $70 mil by 3rd weekend, ooohh hoooo!

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

It should reach $70 mil by 3rd weekend, ooohh hoooo!

So, still $5m less than the $75m you insisted it would open with, meaning that in three weekends it will take less than you claimed it would in three days. And still not a hope in Hell of doing the $150m you insisted was a lock.

Yep, you're really showing us.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

what a bunch of losers

Why don't you reveal YOUR predictions of Beyond grossing less than STID in China?

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

- and a $75m opening and are constantly trying to subtract huge sums from the budget to make it look like it isn't a flop. That sounds like the biggest loser in town to me. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

what a bunch of losers

Why don't you reveal YOUR predictions of Beyond grossing less than STID in China?

Stop calling everyone names. It was me who thought Beyond would gross less than STID in China. I'm very glad it's doing well, so no need to argue about it! I like the franchise, even if this wasn't my favorite of the movies!

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Stop calling everyone names. It was me who thought Beyond would gross less than STID in China. I'm very glad it's doing well,

Wow, an adult reply. Sorry about my behavior....I'm just used to bantering about with wild warthogs (Pumba), grumpy old timers (TVholic), prima donnas (FC tiger), and the "lights are on but nobody's home" (Trevor)....etc.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

After all, you're the liar who claimed the film would race to $150m in China and then pretended you didn't even though your original posts making the claim are still on this board, open with $75m and rather than admit you got it wrong - spectacularly wrong - try to kid yourself that throwing out kindergarten insults magically makes you right instead of just looking like an even more infantile idiot. 

So, a foolish grumpy prima donna who has the lights out like Percy Cuted really shouldn't be throwing around those kind of claims when he's the one who's been shown up time after time. But then he's not that bright and he throws tantrums around his teatime, so we have to make allowances.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

My original prediction was actually 1) Beyond will gross more than STID in China, and 2) Beyond will gross $100 million.

Most other dorks predictions' : 1) Beyond will gross WAY less than STID in China and 2) Beyond will gross $30 to $50 mil in China (depending on the poster)

So, most dorks got #1 wrong, as Beyond has grossed more than STID
and these dorks got #2 wrong, as their predictions are way less than $57 mil

And one dork, named Trevor, made no predictions at all, so he can then , act like Mr. Monday Night quarterback, and Mr. Hypocrite, only targets the optimist , like me, who over-forecasted, but left loser pessimists like himself alone, who under-forecasted.

Me? I got #1 right, Beyond grosses more than STID
I got #2 wrong, as Beyond looks like it might end up around $70 mil in China.

Whoopeedo, who's the winner? Me!

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

My original prediction was actually 1) Beyond will gross more than STID in China, and 2) Beyond will gross $100 million.

Really? Only $100m? Allow me to quote your infamous thread title:

STB to make $150 mil in China! In your face, haters!

Don't bother trying to change that like you have on other threads you created, including this one. You can't change the titles on the replies.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Sorry, Dork, you're lying again.

Your prediction was that it would gross $150m in China. You even started a thread saying just that. Just in case you've lied so many times you can't remember, here it is:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260400722

And what was that thread called? Oh yes...

STB to make $150 mil in China! In your face, haters!

You even reiterated the claim:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260400722?d=260665423#260665423

Beyond has a whole month to clean house and gross over $150 mil!, and whole month of Oct. also

And again:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260400722?p=2&d=260800298#260800298

$150 mil in China is a minimum I say

And again:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260400722?p=2&d=260903072#260903072

So, Bourne just opened in China at $50 mil weekend, meaning Beyond should do the same or even better, thus projection around $150 mil in China!

And again:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260400722?p=2&d=260904692#260904692

Explosion at China and Latin America box office , with $75 million weekend opener in China

You just kept on digging. 

So, how's that one working out for you so far, Sparky?

these dorks got #2 wrong, as their predictions are way less than $57 mil

And the reality after two weeks is still much less than your $75m.

one dork, named Trevor, made no predictions at all

This is where your exceptionally bad selective memory - whether due to substance abuse or excessive masturbation is anyone's guess, but if I were a betting man I'd assume most posters on the board would put their money on the latter - lets you down. But someone who can't even remember his own posts probably can't be expected to remember posts from when the first trailer dropped.

So, who's the biggest loser? Whoopeedo, it's you, Percy. And you just keep on losing bigger with every post. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago



Look at this retard trying to proclaim he 'won' when he was predicting this turd was going to make between $100-150 million and the dumbass even made a thread about it. 

He even said the film was going to open at $75 million.

He claimed the film would do the same as Mission Impossible Rogue Nation would do because they had the same Chinese distributor. They had the same in America dumbass but RN was a hit worldwide while Beyond flopped. Not a surprise to anyone with brains it wasn't going to be a big hit like RN was in China either. It won't even make half of the money.

Best one of all, he claimed the movie would be bigger than Star Wars there.

And to show just how deluded this idiot thought STB was going to do in China, this one takes the cake:

by persecuted » Mon Jul 18 2016 08:06:16 Flag ▼ | Reply |

IMDb member since May 2008
the key is China, where warcraft made $220 million

now, look at Boxfficemojo:

so, for Star Trek 2009, it made $9 million in China

ST Into Darkness made $57 million in China (six time more than original)

so if you follow the projection path, Beyond should do $300 million there

This fool actually suggested Beyond could do $300 million in China at one point. 

And now he's trying to back track on all of that. This sad fool who for some strange reason is holding out hope Beyond wouldn't be a bomb has lost long ago. The film has failed. It's not going to even break even. Paramount was probably hoping it would do $500+ million and now it won't even get to $400 million. This clown btw actually thought Beyond could get up to $750 million. This is why Persecuted is a Chinese joke bad at math. You can't keep calling something a 'success' if it constantly fail to reach even your own expectations over and over again. Moving the goal post doesn't count. And he's moved the goal post so far at this point it's literally in the other end zone.

Persecuted was wrong about everything and everyone knows it. He wrote all his retarded predictions for everyone to see over and over again. And now trying to distance himself from his utter idiocy. Well guy, you wrote them. This guy should stay far away from being an accountant, he would bankrupt all his clients.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Look at this retard trying to proclaim he 'won'

Maybe he's Charlie Sheen?

This guy should stay far away from being an accountant, he would bankrupt all his clients.

Funnily enough, I made a similar observation:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/board/thread/260724859?d=261324802#261324802

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

You left out 吹牛逼 (persecuted).

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Hmm. Your big holiday weekend is over and it's stuck at $62.5. Whatever happened to 70? Did you maybe neglect the possibility - nay, the high probability - that those people flooding the cinemas might pick better and/or Chinese-made movies to watch?

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

US films tend to be very frontloaded in China: even Furious 7 did 47% of its local total that first weekend while Age of Ultron did 64.9%. And from the 62.6% second weekend drop in China, Beyond was never going to buck that trend.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

You know that and I know that, but persecuted wrote upthread, "It should reach $70 mil by 3rd weekend, ooohh hoooo!" Well, it didn't make it. In fact, at this rate, I'm pretty sure it's not going to make another $7.5 million by the end of the fourth week or even fifth week. It's dropping fast. Sunday's haul was barely half a million. So much for his humongous holiday weekend box office. And persecuted has an entire egg farm on his face for forecasting $150m in China. Then backpedaling to $100m and still missing by a country mile.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Don't worry, he'll still come up with more Charlie Sheen 'winning' posts insisting it's the rest of the world that got it wrong and he got it right.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

You know that and I know that, but persecuted wrote upthread, "It should reach $70 mil by 3rd weekend, ooohh hoooo!" Well, it didn't make it. In fact, at this rate, I'm pretty sure it's not going to make another $7.5 million by the end of the fourth week or even fifth week. It's dropping fast. Sunday's haul was barely half a million. So much for his humongous holiday weekend box office. And persecuted has an entire egg farm on his face for forecasting $150m in China. Then backpedaling to $100m and still missing by a country mile.

I think what's funny about all of this is he talked about China being this huge contender for Star Trek Beyond and how all the promotion for it was going to make it a big deal there and save it from flopping. But end of the day it looks like its going make a little more than STID did there, which is OK (since Beyond has made LESS money than STID in nearly every market) but just average for China these days. He talked bout how much Alibaba spent to promote the movie there its probably much much lower than they expected.

When you think about its been playing there for over 2 weeks and still hasn't made what Beyond made the first 4 days in America. It made $65 million on its fourth day there. It may take China a full 3 weeks to get to $65 million. Again, that's OK, but when Persecuted was telling us it was going to make $150 million or even $100 million then that sucks...a lot.

But he also thought this movie would make $75 million opening weekend and Beyond won't even hit that total. His expectations were just too ridiculous. He knows that now obviously.

I know Persecuted is from China and wants Star Trek to be big deal in Asia, but it just isn't. And Beyond wasn't going to be a big deal because it had already flopped in so many places.

But I'm happy more Asians in Asia are fans of the franchise like Persecuted. But its just not enough of them to make these movies big hits there sadly.

But I have a feeling Star Wars will get only bigger in China though. Nothing like it is in America but I think Rogue One could probably do around $150 million or higher if its good. We'll see.

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[–] TVholic 8 years ago

But I'm happy more Asians in Asia are fans of the franchise like Persecuted. But its just not enough of them to make these movies big hits there sadly.

I don't think his motivation is so much a spirited defense of the Trek franchise as an ultranationalistic "China, my mother land, will save this movie because you Americo-Anglo idiots are too stupid to like it. Our box office will dominate the world!"

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

"China, my mother land, will save this movie because you Americo-Anglo idiots are too stupid to like it. Our box office will dominate the world!"

LOL I agree. But part of it is still he wants the franchise to grow in general too. But its not going to grow very big in Asia unfortunately. I wish it would. For China to start caring about Star Trek I think Captain America and Iron Man need to make a cameo in a movie. Marvel is really the king in China's BO. 

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[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

Our box office will dominate the world!

They will eventually, they are already the #2 market! But not in Star Trek unfortunately.

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

True China's BO will increase for sure. I think Star Wars will start becoming a massive hit there. Nothing like America but I can see them doing $200+ million there as the Chinese become more familiar with the franchise. I remember arguing with Star Wars fanboys who thought The Force Awakens was going to easily do $300 million there. This is the other problem, the assumption just because a movie is a huge hit in America it will be huge in China. It doesn't automatically work that way either, they have their own tastes like the rest of the world. But I think also as American studios make their brands stronger there they will catapult in popularity in time.

I don't see Star Trek ever becoming a big hit there, but maybe it will become a stable brand in time at least. I think maybe in 10 years the Star Trek brand will be common in China as they make new shows and movies. I'm curious if Star Trek Discovery will be running in China since they don't have Netflix there and where the new show will be running in most of the world. But maybe they will work out a separate licensing deal to play the show there. Who knows?

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

It's no accident that Donnie Yen has a substantial role in Rogue One. Not that he's a guarantee, as recent misfires like Iceman showed, but his presence certainly makes it a bit more attractive there.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Yeah I think Persecuted is backing the wrong horse in his country. Its really Star Wars I see breaking big in China in the next few years. MOSTLY because unlike Paramount Disney is really making Star Wars a big deal and it was smart to add a Chinese actor in Rogue One. I never thought Beyond had a chance in hell of making $150 million (no one did EXCEPT Persecuted lol) but I do think Rogue One could get to $150 million in China since TFA did $125 million.

I can honestly see Star Wars pulling a Fast and Furious or Transformers in China and getting up to $300 million in time. I'm not saying it WILL get there nor am I suggesting Rogue One or even the next trilogy sequel I'm talking a bit more long term. But it has that potential as Disney just gets a bigger push there vs Star Trek where I don't see it ever getting above $80 million in China. Maybe in a decade that will change but it won't happen anytime soon as Beyond has proved. Meanwhile Disney already has TWO Disney theme parks in the country and its rumored that Shanghai Disneyland may get a Star Wars land just like the American theme parks. In time, little Chinese kids will be well aware of Star Wars in a few years. And I say this as a Star Trek fan lol. But I do like Star Wars too and its clearly just a lot more popular than Star Trek. For one to make $2 billion and the other that made barely over $300 million says it all sadly.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hah, FC Tiger the China expert,

Disney doesn't own 2 theme parks in China. The one in Shanghai is majority owned by China. Hong Kong isn't really China, it's a special zone, and the park there is also half owned by Hong Kong.

China hates Disney. Look at FInding Dory, a major flop in China by FC Tiger definition. Disney is viewed with deep suspicion in China.

Disney has opened many DisneyEnglish schools in China, to teach English but also to brainwash Chinese kids with loving Disney characters , but it's not working, it's failing, because Disney is an entertainment co., not an educational one. so Disney is firing lots of people:

http://deadline.com/2016/09/disney-layoffs-205-employees-let-go-1201819990/

There will be ample competition to crush Shanghai Disney, ......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-28/wanda-opens-first-of-china-wolf-pack-in-park-fight-with-disney
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-08/disney-vs-wanda-how-the-two-theme-parks-stack-up

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hah, FC Tiger's tiger butt is owned by Disney. How's the working conditions there buddy? Oh, kiss kiss kiss Star Wars and their feminazi agenda, kiss kiss kiss. I bet you have an evil queen as your boss, that's why you are so girly. And btw, why don't you write a book? Keep your posts to a paragraph why don't you

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Something your posts give away on a regular basis. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] 8 years ago

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Curious how both of you keep on revealing an obsession with gay sex with people you insult along with a fear and hatred of women and other races - especially when your nonsensical fantasies are debunked. It's nearly always the very first thing you think of. Why is that, Wallfish?

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hah, your bosses at Disney better bribe the Chinese culture ministry at least $50 mil if they ever want Rogue one to be released in China, who doesn't like Feminazi , male bashing misandrist drivel like LadyGhostbusters, which was banned

Oh that reminds me, Primma Donna Tiger, you said "oh, Beyond's gross was just so so typical in China these days....hmm, how much did Suicide Squad gross is China? ZERO dollars. How much did Ghostbusters gross? Zero dollars.

600 or so films are made every year outside of China, and only 34 of these non_Chinese made films get a China release, and sometimes, the studios get word of the China release just weeks before the release, thus hard to get advertising/marketing together in time....

So, Trek's gross in China is pretty good, considering the marketing was done by Hua Hua/Alibaba and none by Paramount.

If Paramount had spent more on advertising in US and around the world, this movie would've grossed over $500 mil easily, because it's actually a pretty good movie, well, all three Trek movies are pretty good in my book.

[–] outerrimstudio 8 years ago

why don't you write a book? Keep your posts to a paragraph why don't you

Something you do all the time in your posts.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Persecuted got too obsessive with me and I don't know why. But its creepy so I finally put him on ignore several days ago. He's not the first obsessive person I dealt with here though but welcome to the internet.

And I want to talk BO to people who know what they are talking about and not just super fanboys...the few who even bothers to even come to these boards anymore.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

It's dropping fast. Sunday's haul was barely half a million. So much for his humongous holiday weekend box office.

Another clueless ignoramus American. China is a hard working country, unlike most lazy Americans. Mid Autumn Festival was on Thur. Sep 15, holiday. Friday was also a day off to link to Saturday, another day off of course. But in China, because the government allowed people to take that Friday off to link to Saturday, Sunday is a WORK DAY! As opposed to lazy America, just giving folks that extra Friday off......along w/keeping Sunday off too

So, if you want to count the real weekend, it should not be Fri-Sat-Sun as usual,
but Wed.-Thur-Fri-Sat. , instead, and grosses for those days are

.9 mil, 1.8mil, 1.9 mil, and 1.1mil, not too shabby, a $5.7 mil holiday weekend...

Oh, and how's your $50 mil forecast doing in China, oh yeah, it got blasted out of the water, as Beyond will make around $70 mil in China!

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Whatever. Let's see you keep your smart mouth when it comes back $2-3m next weekend, struggling even to reach $70 after you insisted it would make $150m. You're obviously an only child, one of China's "little emperors" who think they're so special because their parents weren't allowed to have more than one child.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Once again I agree. Its fallen fast now so not too shocked if that where it ends up next weekend as well.

Do you think Beyond will get to $350 million now? I think it will but either way its a flop.

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

What's really surprising is it hasn't even worked in the overseas territories that Trek films are strongest in. STID did $39m in the UK but Beyond dropped by nearly half to just under $21m. In Australia STID did $17m - Beyond dropped massively to $7m. Germany dropped by 25%, France and Russia by 40%.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Honestly I'll never understand it either man? The movie dropped so badly in so many places world wide. Its hard to fanthom how it could drop so badly compared to STID in all the places Trek was very popular in as you said. I know people had a lot of issues with STID but I don't think it was THAT bad to have this effect. My guess is more people ultimately liked that film than didn't. Or it could've just been that horrible first trailer and the movie just never recovered from that. Or that the film itself just isn't all that exciting for people to see it in the theater (I liked it). It did kind of have an Insurrection vibe.

But yeah these massive drops really added to the film's overall failure sadly. And it keeps dropping in America, which is still its biggest market by far but it has to be alarming with every film the movie loses 10s of millions inbetween sequels. STID at least had a decent international outing. Sadly it didn't have it for Beyond at all. Its like they all gave up on it.

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

I think in some territories it got a big boost from Benedict Cumberbatch's man of the moment international popularity: the UK only saw a modest rise from $35m for ST09 to $39m with STID, which you could put down to the 3D premium, but other territories where Sherlock was a phenomenon got a big boost. But even that doesn't account for why Beyond dropped so far below the 2009 film in the UK.

There was a thread on the box office board about why Tarzan beat it that offers a few suggestions - and the marketing was a big part of it. That's usually a lazy excuse for a film the public don't get excited about (the number of films with huge $80-100m marketing campaigns with TV spots, billboards and print ads everywhere whose fanboys insist the studio gave no support to whatsoever when they flop seems to escalate every year), but in this case Paramount dropped the ball so very badly I think it's a valid complaint for once:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000092/thread/261368623?d=261422735#261422735

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[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

I think in some territories it got a big boost from Benedict Cumberbatch's man of the moment international popularity

I told you so at the time Fctiger 

STID hit right at a sweet spot for his international fandom. Not sure if it's the case anymore, he got married and many of those former fangirls stomped off in a huff. I guess we'll see if they turn out for Dr. Strange. At least being Marvel, it should do o.k. either way.

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

FC Tiger the primma donna and Trev-iump the Insult Dog must be used to talking to senile old timers like TVholic and attention deficit warthogs like Pumba, because you guys keep on repeating and repeating how I was wrong with my China predictions over and over again, yeah, I heard you the first time......

Why don't you repeat the fact that you Americentric/Eurocentric/Anglocentric ignoramuses used your prior knowledge of Beyond grossing less in each and every country in the Western world and applying this to your low , and WRONG, box office forecasts in China? And how I CORRECTLY predicted that Beyond would do better than STID?

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

your low , and WRONG, box office forecasts in China?

You've been wrong every single week on your China forecasts. Last week you insisted it would do $70m by Sunday. Now you're saying it'll do it after five weeks when it's clear there's no way that will happen.

And how I CORRECTLY predicted that Beyond would do better than STID?

Don't you mean how you incorrectly predicted it would do $150m in China? How you incorrectly predicted it would do $75m on OW? How you incorrectly predicted it would do $70m by its second weekend? Or how you incorrectly predicted it would do $70m by this weekend?

No wonder you keep on repeating your infantile lie about being correct all the time. Like all spoiled children, you think if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth and then throw all your toys out the pram when no-one agrees.

Still, mommy will come along with your bottle and it'll be nap time soon. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

You've been wrong every single week on your China forecasts. Last week you insisted it would do $70m by Sunday. Now you're saying it'll do it after five weeks when it's clear there's no way that will happen.

Persecuted hasn't been right on one single prediction that I know of, especially China. His prediction was $100-150 million which was utterly ridiculous. He at least knows that now. But he's made every crazy prediction out there and not a single one was ever come close to right. And everyone clearly knows that as they tell him over and over again.

He has no idea how any of this works clearly. Its obvious he was hoping Beyound would be a massive hit in China as he predicted a $75 million opening. That was also ridiculous because that would've been the movies biggest opening since the first one which the 09 film got that much in America. But in China? That's the crazy part. Of course it got nowhere close that, not even half. What does it say when Terminator 5 made nearly twice as much as Beyond did in China and that was horrible. He said that this was going to be bigger than Star Wars and earn as much as Mission Impossible did in China. The difference was those were both hits worldwide, Beyond wasn't, it was a dud. He said Alibaba promotion for Beyond was huge and end of the day its going to make maybe $8-10 million more than STID did. Again, OK, but listening to him for months Beyond was going to be a huge hit EASILY earning twice what STID did.

I'm pretty sure Alibaba is disappointed with all the promotion they did for it. They probably was hoping for it to do as well as Mission Impossible and Terminator but again, no where close to either of those. Star Trek will be popular in China when they add Tom Cruise or Captain America in the next film. 

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

I told you so at the time Fctiger

STID hit right at a sweet spot for his international fandom. Not sure if it's the case anymore, he got married and many of those former fangirls stomped off in a huff. I guess we'll see if they turn out for Dr. Strange. At least being Marvel, it should do o.k. either way.

Yes and No. Don't get me wrong I'm sure BC had some benefit for sure, I'm not knocking him at all. But the reality is between Star Trek 09 and STID, Paramount was just much more aggressive overseas than the first film by adding thousands of more theaters than Star Trek 09 had, included 3D, made China a bigger priority (the first film was only in 1000 theaters, STID was in over 5000) and just a bigger marketing budget. Of course BC appeal may have something to do with it, but I don't think it was just him since from what I can tell he's never been a big BO draw anywhere. I'm just being honest. You obviously can't count the Hobbit. The two films that he was the star front and center, both after STID, Fifth Estate was a complete bomb and Imitation Game did fine but only made around $230 million worldwide. And I saw both of those, I liked both, definitely Imitation Game which i saw in the theater.

So I think its a bit more to it than that anyway since there is nothing to suggest in in his movie history he's ever been a big draw but yes he had some influence. But I think Beyond flopped mostly because it did the opposite of STID and it had a poor marketing campaign. I predicted back in April it look like it was going to be in trouble (where that idiot Scrstaylz kept telling me I was a cynical idiot for believing and now she has abandoned the boards completely ;)) and at the time because there was nothing out except that first bad trailer. And I was thinking like around $400 million. Now its going to be $50 million behind that.

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

The two films that he was the star front and center, both after STID, Fifth Estate was a complete bomb and Imitation Game did fine but only made around $230 million worldwide.

I don't think you can use the word 'only' when you're talking about a $14m arthouse film about a gay mathematician breaking codes in a country house in WW2. That's an extraordinary result for a film that didn't have a huge marketing budget, had no easy selling points and far surpasses the usual results you get when A-listers try their hands in that market. It had the advantage of not being as ambiguous as The Fifth Estate, which looked like a hatchet job to Assange's fan club and a hagiography to those who think him a dangerous unprincipled egotist so alienated its potential market completely, and it's hard to see it doing anywhere near as well with any of the other names that were put forward for the role after Leonardo DiCaprio dropped out and Warners dropped the film.

The Imitation Game indicates that at that time he had enough of a following in the right picture to account for a decent chunk of the $90m boost STID got from ST09 - after all, Khan is basically a dark mirror version of Sherlock as a sociopathic genius. As Heath Ledger showed with The Dark Knight, the right actor in the right role at the right time can make a difference to a franchise picture that doesn't necessarily carry over to their non-franchise pictures. Certainly he helped the film in China, where the first reboot only did $8.9m, and where Cumberbatch is a big enough star for the limited theatrical release of his last Sherlock Holmes TV special to gross $24.3m there, not to mention $8.3m in Korea.

Cumberbatch's casting certainly added to the buzz for STID (and Abrams has always shown himself much better at creating buzz through his "I've got a secret" marketing approach than at delivering particularly original films), something the rather more obvious casting of Idris Elba in a less interesting role couldn't replicate for Beyond.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Well I didn't know how much it costed. I went to IMDB to check when I wrote my post but its not listed there. I assumed it cost around $50 million so to be that low is very good.

So yeah I want to make it clear, its a hit for sure but he's still not a marquee draw at the end of the day, thats all I'm really saying.

I just can't really say one way or the other it was he who made STID box office much bigger since he's never been a big hit that drew on his name. I think anyone could've played 'Khan' and it would make the same money. I mean a good example is actually England where his star power is the biggest and while STID did better than the 09 film but it only made $4 million more than the first film and you have to account for inflation, added to more screens and it being in 3D as part of that too.

And no China was a misnomer. The first film was only in 1000 theaters and ran for 3 weeks before it was pulled. The ENTIRE reason STID was made in 3D was because China only put 3D films in higher distribution (at least the American ones) because thats what the Chinese want (or wanted) and Paramount made a deal it would get a guarantee of being in 5000+ screens and a guarantee it stayed in the theaters for a month. Now certainly adding BC also helped but again I think people exaggerate how much one actor can do when in reality Star Trek 09 had a very limited run in China and STID got the red carpet treatment. Its also why I didn't think Beyond would do all that much better in China because it got basically everything that STID got at the time, except the huge promotion Alibaba gave it, so while it could increase as it did probably thanks that to that promotion it was never going to be as big as people like Persecuted was suggesting. And you can't just 'multiply' between the 09 film and STID because the 09 film was treated like a small independent film at the time vs STID that was given block buster status. The 09 film had the roll out of something like Meryl Streep movie vs STID which had a roll out like a Tom Cruise movie. Star Trek 09 wasn't even put on IMAX screens in China because it wasn't in 3D although it was put on IMAX screens everywhere else worldwide. Putting it in 3D was partly for this reason alone and to make it a bigger draw for China.

3D really does make a HUGE difference in terms of priority in China. In fact let's go back to Tom Cruise who is a bonafide star in China. Mission Impossible 3 only made $10 million when it premiered in China (which I actually saw it there in Shanghai at the time). This was 2006 though as well so the BO was just starting to really explode there. But when Ghost Protocol came out 5 years later it made $100 million there. That's literally 10 times what MI 3 did. Did Cruise suddenly get 10 times more fans there? Obviously not, MI 3 just had a much smaller distribution there than GP did because it wasn't in 3D and therefore didn't get the top distribution even though Cruise himself was big there. Another example is Marvel films in China. Do you know how much Iron Man 2 did there? It made a total of $7 million in China although the sequel was huge everywhere else. Iron Man 3 showed up in 3D and that made $120 million just 3 years later. That was only a 3 year difference and yet it made 13 times more than the last one. Yes Avengers made it more popular but THAT much more lol.

So again, the 09 and STID comparisons is really a misnomer and I doubt had very, very little to do with BC and more of an aggressive push by the studios. They just got smarter at how to make money there and acted accordingly. And to be fair to you I don't think you're implying that BC gave the BO that big of a push in China just a bit better but I kept hearing this over and over again by BC fangirls on STID boards who knew nothing about BO and kept saying the movie 'made over $50 million in China thanks to BC while the first one bombed'. LOL yeah, its that simple of course. ;)

Imitation Game made money but it was also just a really good film and lets be honest was Oscar bait. There are tons of films with smaller actors that makes this kind of money when they get put up for Oscars.

Again I want to make this clear I think BC is popular for sure, I'm not putting the guy down, but its really hard to say one way or the other if his popularity made a huge difference in BO. A few million maybe, but $90 million, I don't really buy that since looking at his actual BO sales there is nothing to suggest his own popularity is that big worldwide. In fact every film he made before STID were not big hits. But his roles were mostly supporting in those too.

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Don't get me wrong - I don't think he was the only factor - 3D and a well received reboot that took the curse off the franchise after Nemesis helped, as did ST09's strong performance on home video - but he was certainly a factor to varying degrees in different territories.

its a hit for sure but he's still not a marquee draw at the end of the day

I think he is in the right film and the right role. I'd probably equate him to Colin Firth: put him in a Bridget Jones or a King's Speech and you'll do huge business internationally. Put him in a Last Legion or a Genova and nobody will even notice it came out. Cumberbatch's niche seems to be emotionally stunted geniuses who achieve incredible things: as an actor he has a wider range, but that's what the public will turn out to see him play.

I mean a good example is actually England where his star power is the biggest and while STID did better than the 09 film but it only made $4 million more than the first film and you have to account for inflation, added to more screens and it being in 3D as part of that too.

I don't really think there was that much room for it to expand there, and that the nature of Trek's audience limited his impact. In the UK there's a lot of crossover between the audiences for Sherlock and NuWho (Doctor Who) because of the shared behind the scenes team, and there's a very similar demographic to the Star Trek TV shows so it already had that audience. It's in other countries that the Sherlock audience had more of an impact, and China is certainly one: that's a territory where the show isn't allowed on TV by the local censors yet still had 38.5m viewers watching it on the internet. And that huge result the Christmas special had in China was despite the fact that the episode could have been streamed while it was playing in Chinese theaters.

But certainly 3D had a huge impact in pushing up the foreign numbers (IMAX I'm not so sure about since it's overseas penetration is variable - in many venues it's just 'fake IMAX' rather than true IMAX), as did a good first film. But I wonder if the trajectory isn't a lot like Beverly Hills Cop - a much-liked first film driving a poor sequel to much better box-office, but the next film in the series suffering from the second film's quality. That's happened to a few franchises.

Imitation Game made money but it was also just a really good film and lets be honest was Oscar bait. There are tons of films with smaller actors that makes this kind of money when they get put up for Oscars.

Not really - there's usually only one or two of those a year while all the other Oscarbaiters flounder, and, to take one year as an example, for every 12 Years a Slave or The Butler you'll get a few dozen others that either outright flop like All is Lost, Nebraska, The Book Thief, Kill Your Darlings, Out of the Furnace, Inside Llewyn Davis, Long Walk to Freedom, Her and The Invisible Woman or stall at the just about broke-even-if-they-didn't-spend-too-much-on-marketing mark (ie The Dallas Buyers Club's $55m WW despite all the awards). I do think you're underestimating his overseas popularity at that time - but again, it's very much a question of the right actor in the right role in the right film.

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[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

Well, I'm pretty sure we're all correct!

I agree that higher distribution, 3D and IMAX upcharges, etc. are the vast majority of the profit. Does BC's name alone guarantee a $180m big-budget film will succeed financially, absolutely not! Does BC's name boost box office some overseas, particularly in Asia, his largest fanbase (not the UK), yes. Does his performance usually earn high reviews and good word of mouth that attract non-fans to see his films when they might not otherwise, yes. However small the role, he is in many instances, the most critically-praised aspect of his films. That includes STID and The Hobbit, so IMO he does share part of the credit for their success. So in that sense, it wouldn't necessarily have made the same amount with anyone else as Khan (who was a sore spot for Trek fans, but only a tiny portion of the ticket-buying public knew or cared who played the character 30 years before.) Obviously it's not all him!  but I think he does have an impact. I predicted that STB would do worse than STID in all Asian countries, I was wrong about China. But according to Persecuted, they have spent a fortune promoting it there, had the top Chinese pop star record a song for it and probably opened it on more screens so I'm sure they expected better than the $5m more it made according to Box Office Mojo. Which was more than lost again, by lower BO in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, and S. Korea. I think it'll do less in Japan too, but I guess we'll see next month.

The truth is, we can't say how he will do at headlining a blockbuster because he's never done it. If you think it's unfair to compare ST09 and STID, you can see how ludicrous it is to compare any huge special effects action blockbuster with an actual indie biopic like The Imitation Game or The Fifth Estate. Of course neither was even released in Asia (again, most of his fans.) Incidentally TIG was the sixth most successful indie picture of all time, and no, not every Oscar bait film does that:

http://www.indiewire.com/2014/11/specialty-box-office-imitation-game-plays-to-one-of-best-limited-debuts-of-all-time-67438/

The Fifth Estate was a flop, but again BC's performance was highly praised. The film itself did have plenty of issues, not to mention Julian Assange is highly controversial in the US so it was never going to be a big draw (especially released just a few months after another film about Julian Assange.) Yet they went for a wide release and spent waaay too much on it. None of that is BC's fault, but people always mention it as proof he can't successfully headline a movie. Yet I don't see people here blaming Chris Pine for STB underperforming.

Ironically I'm always on the other side of this argument on the Doctor Strange boards! Because every box office prediction discussion includes somebody saying "it will make a ton because of BC's massive fanbase!" and I see no point in overselling it. First of all, he's no longer the "internet boyfriend" of a few years ago and many of those fans moved on to Oscar Isaac or whoever, when he got married. And even when he was the "internet boyfriend" with a legion of Cumberb!tches, they don't bother to turn up for his films unless they're halfway well-reviewed! (Example: The Fifth Estate.) On the other hand, they will pay anything and travel literally all over the world to see him perform in person, so if Paramount plans a Star Trek stage production ("Khan Live!") they'll be printing money.  His Hamlet was the fastest-sellout play in London theatre history. But most importantly of all, no actor's fanbase can guarantee a huge blockbuster, just like you need more than the small number of Trek or comic fans, you need more than the headliner's fans. Every actor has flops! And nobody knows how Doctor Strange will be received, it's not the typical strong/flying guy in tights-type Marvel movie. So I keep responding, "probably similar to Ant-Man, a little better in Asia." We'll see.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Ok guys fair enough! 

I'm just basing it on his BO overall. And its hard to judge since A. He's done mostly smaller films with the exception Star Trek and the Hobbit movies (which doesn't count for obvious reasons) and B. majority of those roles have been supporting and not the lead. Its just so hard to gauge an actor direct influence on the BO when he's been mostly in smaller films and rarely above the marquee roles. And the only two I can point to and judge more effectively is Fifth Estate and Imitation game. And I don't think Fifth Estate flopping was because of him at all. Same time I can't say a film is successful because of him either and that's why its really hard to say either way. His movie roles have been smaller and not that many in general, compared to others. Dr. Strange will be his first proper 'big role' in a very slick high profile Marvel movie so it will be easier to judge.

And I know nothing about Dr. Strange BO forecasts or how people really feel about him in the role because I haven't even been on the Dr. Strange's boards once yet. Maybe as it get closer I will. I never been a huge fan of the character in general.

But I will agree Dr. Strange will do somewhere between $5-600 million. Could go higher could go lower but I suspect it will fall somewhere there UNLESS the reviews are big (and they are usually solid for Marvel) and the other competition not as strong. But it will most likely do well.

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[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

That DS board is dead as a doornail. One guy posting over and over that the casting is racist, a few BO threads and some comic book minutiae. Notice I'm over here, and I didn't even really like this movie.  I think people are liking BC in the role now that there have been a couple of trailers, they can finally picture him in the costume and beard, and are no longer worrying that his fangirls will swamp their discussions about magic stones and whatnot. Anyway, I'm expecting that movie to be a slow build once the reviews and WOM get out. Hopefully not too slow since Fantastic Beasts opens 2 weeks later. I feel like people choosing between two wizard films in a month, might go with the more familiar one: FB seems like a typical Harry Potter while DS is different for Marvel. I'm haven't seen anything else by the director. The cast is great, but TBH my least favorite BC roles are those where he plays an American. His voice is such a big part of his performances, and he tends to go a bit mumbly and nasal. And speaking of Asian fans, I'll be curious to see their interest in a non-Sherlock BC role. Who knows, they may not even show up for Curly Fu with no curls and greying temples. So I'm keeping my expectations low and hoping to be pleasantly surprised! Richard III in The Hollow Crown is really his most exciting upcoming role:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0kO-pVsc3E

...it will be on PBS, along with a new season of Sherlock, this winter.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Well I read your post and for the first time I actually went over to the Dr. Strange boards and yeah you're right its pretty dead over there. But in all honesty it was the same thing that happened with Ant Man too. I was for some reason on that board six months before that film came out and I was literally BEGGING people from other Marvel boards to go to the Ant Man board lol. THe AoU and AoS board were always busy but no love for AM. But its a new character for most people and I honestly thought that might flop. For Marvel a 'flop' is around $400 million which I suspected it would get. But luck would have it, it got solid reviews and did pretty well. It made over $100 million in China as well putting it over $500 million. They love Marvel over there lol.

So I'm not too concerned about how Dr. Strange will do IF the film is good. If its good it should make between $5-600 million minimum including at least $100 million in China. If its bad all bets are off lol but based on the trailers at least it seem like it will decent. I will probably see it but in all honesty I have no rush to see it. I could probably wait for it to hit DVD if I'm being very honest but if the reviews are good I'll definitely go at least. I'm way more excited for Luke Cage for some reason.

Speaking of dead as a doornail, that's what this board has become. 

Remember when we were on the STID boards? Man there was TONS of bitching on it but at least people cared lol. I was on that board all the time for months. I dont think the board started dying until after STID came on DVD and 6-7 months after it premiered in the theater. It was still a pretty active board. This board however, the film came out EXACTLY 2 months ago today (7/21) and its D-E-A-D!! This is the biggest sign that the movie flopped because no one cares about talking about it anymore just two months later. Oddly Ghostbusters made less money and came out a month before this one but yet that board is MUCH busier lol. I never saw that film but its proof bitching is what keeps these boards alive. 

No one is really bitching about Beyond like they were STID. Yeah some people hated it, some loved it, but no one seems all that passionate about it either way. After a month the film opened I took this board off my favorites list because I was just coming a lot less because no one was talking about the movie. BO is the only thing I been talking about but now its run its course and basically flopped so even less to talk about sadly. If I didn't get notices of replies from people here I would probably stopped writing here weeks ago now.

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[–] TVholic 8 years ago

And an awful lot of the activity here is people mocking persecuted. That kid really doesn't realize that basically everyone considers him a joke.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

And an awful lot of the activity here is people mocking persecuted. That kid really doesn't realize that basically everyone considers him a joke.

LOL! Yeah I know. I actually put him on ignore a few days ago. He just started getting too obsessive with me. I noticed he was replying to me on other threads when I wasn't talking to him. And of course thats OK, but he always seemed VERY angry about it lol. I just give my opinion on BO like everyone else, no one seem to even care about it but him for some strange reason. He seems to have some issues to be honest and he made himself look like a joke by throwing out all these crazy numbers about China and it was going to make SO much money and then of course it got nowhere close to that and people are giving him a hard time for it.

And I think people wouldn't be mocking him now if he didn't constantly make childish posts like threads with "In your face haters" (which was originally made just for me lol...creepy) and all of that stuff. But we have to remember he is just a kid though and he doesn't remotely understand how box office works. But he has become too obsessive with me and when I talk to him its like talking to a kid so its useless. I want to talk to people here who I can have a real conversation with about Box office and other things like I been doing here last few days. People disagree with me all the time and yet with reasonable posters we can still have a great conversation and not cry about it. I probably shouldve put him on ignore a month ago.

But I notice once I put him on ignore this board looks even deader!  So in a way people have to thank him a little even if they just come to mock him. He kept the boards alive a little at least. Sadly dying quickly now though.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Don't worry FC the Tiger can always play with Pumba the warthog, who can play with Trev-iump the Insult Dog, and all these pets are owned by old timer TVholic. This board will always be alive with these wild specimens.

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

There's a huge difference between being optimistic and ignoring reality.

[–] onebluestocking 8 years ago

I could probably wait for it to hit DVD

I don't usually care about 3D, but I think the trippy visuals in DS will demand it. Don't wait for DVD! I'm looking forward to Luke Cage too. Is it the same actor from Jessica Jones?

The STID board, good times. People either loved or hated that movie and really wanted to talk about it AT LENGTH.  Now I see some posters here are saying "bring back JJ!" when everyone complained endlessly about his lens flares and action sequences last time. I didn't see Ghostbusters either, but the critics rated it not far off from STB (Metacritic was 73% positive for GB, 68% for STB. Rottentomates 73% positive for GB, 83% for STB.) Change all the Enterprise crew to female for the next Trek movie, and that board will be "busy" too. 

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[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Ghostbusters wasn't as bad as I expected given all the acrimony. It wasn't a great movie, but wasn't awful. It was okay. The big problem is when you spend that kind of money to produce and hype a blockbuster, it has to be a lot better than okay. High ticket prices also make people more vocal when they feel they're not getting their money's worth.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Ghostbusters wasn't as bad as I expected given all the acrimony. It wasn't a great movie, but wasn't awful. It was okay. The big problem is when you spend that kind of money to produce and hype a blockbuster, it has to be a lot better than okay. High ticket prices also make people more vocal when they feel they're not getting their money's worth.

Yeah thats why I didn't bother to see it. I heard it was OK but not great and I can't afford to go see every film out there. I was always on the fence about seeing it (not because they are women lol) I just didn't think we need YET another reboot to something. And I think people are kind of making that clear and why Ben Hurr bombed and both Ghostbusters and Beyond flopped. People are getting tired of watching the same crap they watched 40 years ago. Movies like The Force Awakens and Jurrassic World got away with it because they were basically reboots disguised as sequels. TFA to be fair was more of a sequel although a big rehash of ANH but that's for another board lol.

BTW, Beyond made $200 thousand in China on Wednesday lol. Sounds like its run is basically over after 3 weeks and its safe to say the road to $150 million isn't quite going to make it. 

It looks like it will get to $65 million there which is OK just not a hit. I estimated it would make $50-60 million although I did say if the Chinese really liked it could make it to $75 million total. It looks like it will have made about $8 million more than STID did. Thats not amazing, especially all the promotion Alibaba dropped on this thing, BUT when you consider STB made LESS money than STID in nearly every market especially in America then its better than nothing.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

LOL, FC Tiger patting himself on the back for his "correct" China forecast of $50 to $75 mil. Hey, I project myself to get 3 to 50 girlfriends in the next 15 years. Oh, and then 15 years later, I achieve 3 girlfriends and congratulate myself of meeting expectations, LOL!

Hey FC Spinster, Beyond made $271k USD in China on Wednesday. Maybe you are very bad at math and rounded 275k down to 200k.....you should've done your math homework in middle school, because you make one lousy accountant.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Hey, I project myself to get 3 to 50 girlfriends in the next 15 years.

So you're planning on overcoming your absolute terror of women siometime in the future, then?

Oh, and then 15 years later, I achieve 3 girlfriends and congratulate myself of meeting expectations, LOL!

Well, you've got a head start, predicting $75m in three days and then congratulating yourself on your next failed prediction that it'll make $70m in five weeks, just as you've been congratulating yourself for the past three weeks for your prediction it would make $150m in China.

Beyond made $271k USD in China on Wednesday. Maybe you are very bad at math and rounded 275k down to 200k.....you should've done your math homework in middle school, because you make one lousy accountant.

Not as lousy as you. If you'd done your homework properly, or even cheated and used a calculator, you might have noticed that if Beyond somehow manages to maintain that rate, there's no way it'll make it to $70m when its pulled from Chinese theaters after five weeks. But maybe when you go to big boys school they'll teach you how to do basic multiplication.

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

I think people are kind of making that clear and why Ben Hurr bombed and both Ghostbusters and Beyond flopped. People are getting tired of watching the same crap they watched 40 years ago.

Nah, Ben-Hur flopped because it's a bad picture, and one the studio dumped as soon as they saw the rough cut and knew it was a no-hoper. Audiences are still happily watching variations on the same old stuff (only two of the top ten films in the US this year weren't sequels, remakes or reboots, with 30 of the top 50 falling into that category) and generally continuing to avoid anything that looks new or innovative, but Ben-Hur has the same problem as Blair Witch - a no-name cast in a lame retread so badly made that even its own distributors couldn't generate any enthusiasm for it.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Nah, Ben-Hur flopped because it's a bad picture, and one the studio dumped as soon as they saw the rough cut and knew it was a no-hoper. Audiences are still happily watching variations on the same old stuff (only two of the top ten films in the US this year weren't sequels, remakes or reboots, with 30 of the top 50 falling into that category) and generally continuing to avoid anything that looks new or innovative, but Ben-Hur has the same problem as Blair Witch - a no-name cast in a lame retread so badly made that even its own distributors couldn't generate any enthusiasm for it.

No that too lol. But no one was begging for a damn Ben Hur remake regardless. But sure if it was at least better it probably would've done better.

But thats what I'm talking about, Hollywood seems to think if you just reboot a film and throw a title on it everyone knows its going to make money and thats JUST not true anymore. There still has to be something special about the film in itself. Everyone talks about the Batman reboot with Nolan but that completely changed Batman on the screen. We never saw him like that IN the films so it was a 'reboot' but it felt new and fresh and people were excited about it.

Then you had the Amazing Spider Man reboot movies which were popular in terms of money but it just felt like a slightly different version of the Raimi films. They even had another origin story and people were sick to death of seeing something they have known since the age of 5. There are people all around the world more famaliar with Superman's and Spider-Man's origin story than Jesus' at this point.

I'm not saying reboot don't work anymore, I'm saying if they just feel like the same story you got before just with a new cast people aren't as excited about it. I think Ghostbusters for example probably should've did what The Force Awakens and JW did and actually be a sequel but with a new generation of Ghostbusters. Once they erased the other guys and set it in a new world BUT with the same template of the first film people just shrugged.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Oh yeah I know you probably missed all the times I use to bitch about The Force Awakens on the SW board. 

But hey, I thought it was a lazy rehash of ANH but that lazy rehash made $2 billion so what do I know? 

People love Star Wars. They bitched about the prequels too but they all went.

And of course I think all said and done TFA WAS a good film. Nothing amazing, in fact I think Beyound is a BETTER film than TFA, but why TFA worked is because yeah it played on our nostalgia like a bitch and people really wanted to see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker in a SW movie again, thats the reality.

I never saw Ben Hur but I know it was bad and I DID see Terminator Genesys and that WAS bad (but actually made more money in China than in America...I thought that was nuts) and probably why it gets criticized. Reboot/sequel thing but just being a bad film as well IMO.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

I FINALLY watched TFA again a week ago when it came to cable. We taped it of course. The last time I watched it was in December and yeah I have to say on one hand it IS a really entertaining movie. Abrams like his Star Trek films makes these things such a fast pace you never get bored for a second.

But it just bothers me SO damn much it feels like a *beep* copy of A New Hope. I know some of the Star Wars fanboys hate when we bring this up but why couldn't they come up with a more original film??? I don't think Abrams is a 'hack' or anything, this guy is smart of course he and Kasdan could've wrote something more original, they just seem to think playing it safe was the better move. And so while I can watch the film and enjoy it it will never be a great film because it feels like I'm watching a glorified fan film and not his own unique stamp on SW. HOPEFULLY Episode 8 will be different but its hard to get 'excited' about Star Wars movies when the first one is a copy of ANH and the next one is direct prequel to ANH. God damn Disney!!!!!

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

I still plan to go see Rogue One for sure but yeah I was never excited about it ALTHOUGH I really liked the trailers.

But now with all the reshoot stuff I'm just super cautious now. Just like Suicide Squad. I'm sure it was you I said this too but I was actually excited about that film but for some reason the second I heard they were doing a lot of reshoots it zapped all my interest from it. I said if the reviews were good I'll go but we all know what happened there lol.

I'm a Star Wars fan like I am a Star Trek fan so I always support these films but I'm not going to give my money away blindly either. I was really worried about Beyond, honestly this was the first film I thought would just be horrible and I was surprised. Again nothing amazing but compared to what I thought it could be yeah it was a surprise.

Thats where I am with Rogue One. I'm holding out hope in the end its going to be decent even though I think making the film in itself was a cynical move by Disney and just to yank more money from the fanboys instead of coming up with a unique idea. But if the film is good then I won't care. But if it sucks, then Disney has no one to blame but themselves...especially rushing these films to a ridiculous level.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

There were SO many damn problems with Terminator geneShyt (I like that lol) my heard hurts just thinking about it.

On one hand you have to give them SOME credit and they tried to do something different. It was once again one of those reboot/sequel things but they tried to be clever with it. But it just got too convoluted for its own good and the John Connor twist was just the dumbest thing they could do. Again they TRIED to mix it up so I have to give them some credit here when I just bitched about Star Wars playing it TOO safe but it was just so badly done with Terminator. And that whole new version of Skynet, ugh.

And Arnold is just too old. I hate saying that, I do but no one is meant to play these kinds of roles forever. I don't want t see Tom Cruise playing Ethan Hunt at 70. Ford actually pulled it off a bit in TFA but he's playing an older Solo like he played an older Indy. But Arnold is a robot. They can explain it as human skin and all of that but it just feels ridiculous at this point.

And yet SADLY Terminator Geneshyt will easily make a lot more money than Star Trek Beyond. Its crazy to say but T5 was actually successful. I wouldn't call it a hit but it made nearly 3 times its budget. Beyond won't even break even and its 100 times better than Geneshyt.

WTF is wrong with this world???? 

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

OK gotcha. I never seen that btw. Have something new to watch now. ;)

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hey, will they sell Star Trek Beyond VHS tape? What's a DVD,.....asks old timer TVholic in his nursing home

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Persecuted who was ashamed to be Chinese lied for months here pretending to be American and who was only $90 million dollars off by how much this movie made there. 

Beyond was a dud, get over it.

[–] fctiger 8 years ago

I don't usually care about 3D, but I think the trippy visuals in DS will demand it. Don't wait for DVD! I'm looking forward to Luke Cage too. Is it the same actor from Jessica Jones?

The STID board, good times. People either loved or hated that movie and really wanted to talk about it AT LENGTH. Now I see some posters here are saying "bring back JJ!" when everyone complained endlessly about his lens flares and action sequences last time. I didn't see Ghostbusters either, but the critics rated it not far off from STB (Metacritic was 73% positive for GB, 68% for STB. Rottentomates 73% positive for GB, 83% for STB.) Change all the Enterprise crew to female for the next Trek movie, and that board will be "busy" too.

Yeah the STID boards were fun!  Even though half of the board hated my guts lol. I never took it personally of course, this is why we have message boards to give our honest feelings about a movie or shows. And as I said over and over even though I had a LOT of issues with the film, I did like it just not love it. Its just the stuff I DIDN'T like that I talked about mostly. I never get it personally why people get so upset when people are just being honest their thoughts on a movie or how much money it will make. There are tons of things I love people hate, I still love them anyway, all that matters end of the day.

BUT yes its true people bitching and whining about this stuff is what keeps most boards alive. When a film doesn't have any hype like Beyond doesn't have then you have to rely on that love or hate relationship for the people who DID see the film at least to keep a board active. But as I said it doesn't seem like anyone cares about Beyond like they were with STID so its now a dead board even though the movie is only 2 months old. Sad. 

As for Dr. Strange, no I'm going to see it. I always planned to see it in the theater. I've seen every Marvel movie in the theater except one, the first Thor movie. I just don't have a big excitement over it. UNLESS the ratings are horrible I don't see myself not seeing it at this point. I may not see it right away like the first few weeks but I do plan to watch it in the theater eventually.

As far as the whole Ghostbusters as women thing, it got pretty ridiculous but I don't care either way but its the world we live in. We don't live in the 23rd century yet. 

Marvel 2016: Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Civil War, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage!

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

I still plan to go see Rogue One for sure

so you want to go see men get their butts kicked by the female lead antagonist, what are you, come kind of girly man? I'm staying the heck away from Rogue One.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Probably for the best, Percy: we know how utterly terrified you are of women and your screams of fear and panic would only distract the audience and make them point at you and laugh.

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Wallfish, everyone knows you've never had sex, and if you did it would never be with a woman, let alone two. I'm just amazed there's enough room in that closet of yours to reach the keyboard.

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TVholic 8 years ago

More confirmation he's mainland Chinese. People in Hong Kong have been watching female characters kick men's butts on the screen in sword & sorcery and kung fu movies since the 1960s. See Connie Chan in the Lady Black Cat movies for example, or her cinematic rival and sometime co-star, Josephine Siao. Cantonese cinema was years if not decades ahead of Mao-era Chinese cinema in terms of women's roles, having a long and grand tradition of kickass wushu heroines.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

But end of the day it looks like its going make a little more than STID did there,

Wow, FC TIger must've failed middle school math. Beyond will most likely end up with $70m in China, which is $13 mil more than STID, and that's a 23% increase! The word is "significantly" more than STID ......

When you think about its been playing there for over 2 weeks and still hasn't made what Beyond made the first 4 days in America.

Wow, FC Tiger is so Americentric, he must be George Washington's descendant. Why don't you take the perspective from a foreign country. How many foreign movies in the past 100 years have grossed as much in the US as in their native lands? Out of thousands of foreign films, maybe just one film , Crouching Tiger, has done that. Wow, you have degraded yourself to that of a troll, so I suggest you cool it, dude.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Beyond will most likely end up with $70m in China

Yes, because a film that dropped nearly 70% in its third weekend is naturally going to break all records and increase its business for the remaining two weeks before it's pulled from Chinese theaters completely to reach $70m - which, to save him having to miscount on his fingers, is still $5m less than he said it would make it its first three days and $80m less than the $150m he claimed it would do. And being $80-90m out makes him a far bigger loser than being $13m out (though in reality it will be a lot less than $13m because, as ever, he's calling it wrong while claiming victory for getting his weekend prediction wrong the third time in a row).

Of course, more startling mathematical events have occurred. After all, out of 250 million sperm, he swam the fastest. 

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

The movie is really in freefall now. It made a yuuuge (to quote persecuted's hero) $132k on Saturday night and hasn't been able to break $65m. Even persecuted's $70m prediction is out of reach, never mind his $150m prediction.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Ah, but you have to remember that in China 1+1 doesn't always equal 2 - in many cases, it equals 45.

Chinese companies regularly inflate the gross of their films to claim new records and to attract investors: Warcraft claimed to have set all-time box-office records in areas that were flooded at the time (a free aqualung with every ticket?), casting doubt on its Chinese total, Ip Man 3's $75m OW in China turned out to be a fraud (http://deadline.com/2016/03/ip-man-china-box-office-fraud-distributor-suspended-state-crackdown-1201723556/) and the gross of Monster Hunt was also over-reported with 'ghost screenings' in empty theaters organised by the distributors driving up the stated total while people buying tickets for Terminator Genysis found themselves with tickets to The Hundred Regiments Offensive instead to drive up its gross.

Of course, all those cases of false reporting were to inflate the gross, so if there is any misreporting of Beyond, it would be overstating the gross rather than understating it. But with such a cavalier attitude to figures as is prevalent in the Chinese economy in general, it's perhaps not surprising that Percy should be so mathmatically challenged...

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

US films tend to be very frontloaded in China....

Did I read that right? Trevor the insult dog actually posted a non-insult post? Hmm, I guess you took your meds today like yo mama told you

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Ah, still sulking because your mommy is still stopping your allowance? Or is it because of the fleas you keep on bringing into the house with you? Interesting how your absolute terror of women just keeps on coming out these days: you're obviously really under your mommy's thumb.

Still, anything to avoid admitting you're spectacularly wrong yet again.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

I was wrong, Trev-iump the insult dog is at it again, since he has no friends on a Sunday when people usually is out in the sun BBQing, Trev-iump the insult dog always is on his computer spewing hatred because his life is so sad.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Aw, you're so cute when you're trying to vent your frustration over your constant failures, especially when you project your own history of childish insults onto others. Remind us, who was it who started a thread about how they wanted a rich guy with bad hair to save him from all those scary wimmin?

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

It's over $62 mil now in China,....where's Mr. Know it all FC Tiger. Well at least FC Tiger and other posters were man enough to make their lowly China box office predictions, which were wrong, while Trevorette the little 11 year old girl sits at home in her dress and plays with Barbie, not man enough to make predictions.....

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

And this obsession with projecting your own gender confusion onto others as yet again the film is nowhere near where you said it would be on its first weekend. No wonder your first thought when your failure is flagged up is little girls playing with dollies. Which makes us wonder if the reason you're so absolutely terrified of wimmin is your mom wanted a little girl and forces you to dress up like one. It would explain all the comical meltdowns. 

And, as usual, Percy - or is it Petronella - has such memory problems he can't remember the first time we crossed swords after the first disastrous teaser dropped. Unless he's so embarrassed that I called its prospects right that he's just pretending to forget. 

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Seriously? You predicted $150m and now you're calling $62m "impressive?" Wow, talk about moving the goalposts. They're at the 50 yard line at this point. Don't forget to tell us next weekend that they're at an awesome $68m.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Careful, TV - the guy who keeps on talking about women scaring him, wearing dresses and playing with dollies might call you gay as well for pointing out how far off the mark he is yet again. He's not just moving the goalposts, he's changing his wardrobe too in preparation for gender reassignment.

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Wallfish, unlike you I don't have to make up lies. Nor do I have to send people PMs begging me to give them a chance, promising to change before creating another 1001 sockpuppets.

As I've told you so many times before, the sooner you get out of that closet, find yourself a nice boy and stop wasting your time trying to gain the attention of people you're obsessed with but will never meet, the happier you'll be. It's time you stopped pretending to be various different nationalities, genders and professions in the hope that one of them will fit, gave up the casual racism and gave the real world a try. You're really not any good at trolling and it only makes you unhappy.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

persecuted already stopped reading as soon as it said "Middle Kingdom." He says only stupid, ignorant "Americo-Anglo-centric" people translate it that way.

[–] MrsJones344 8 years ago

Good to hear!

Where are the morons saying Beyond is a flop?

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

You mean Paramount's accountants who know the film is still nowhere near breaking even?

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

No it's not. With a $185m pricetag it needs to do at least $370m to break even on its budget, and that's excluding the marketing and distribution costs. With it played out in almost every market, it clearly doesn't have another $50m+ in the tank and even Scotty canna do it - it just doesn't have the power.

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Ah, the tragic tale of Wallfish's unrequited love. Wallfish (aka idol33455) has to keep on making things up just so he can type my name over and over again to feel that warm tingle of electricity that makes him think, just for a moment, that maybe 'trev' can be his. Oh, he creates a 'nice' account and promises 'not to be a douche' and writes PMs to 'trev' promising to change for him, but he just can't help himself. And his frustration leads to yet another meltdown before he starts the whole process again, with new sockpuppies starting yet more threads about the object of his infatuation.

We'll briefly pause for some background music while Wallfish bangs on that closet door:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTSc4hBdCd0

Alas, Wallfish lacks the courage to come out of that closet, find himself a nice boy and discover that he doesn't need to keep on posting about 'trev' to get his rocks off, and that he'll be much happier too and won't need to waste so much of his life obsessed with someone he'll never meet. Instead, tragically, he'll continue fantasising about 'trev' in the desperate hope that the object of his affection will pay him some attention and at least notice he was alive and suffering all the torments of unrequited love. It's an old story - a very, very, very, very old story on this board - but then there's nothing new under Wallfish's son.

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

You know you did under several different ids, always promising to change, begging for a chance, always asking why I don't treat you the way you want. Just as you know you've also claimed to be a British woman with children who were traumatised by animated movies, the male head of payola at Disney, the guy in charge of embezzling from Mexicans at Revolution and various other fantasies. You have a very limited repertoire and whenever you're called out on your infatuation with me you always forget which heterosexual identity you've been using and come out with the boyfriend line. But we all know who you're really obsessed with... 

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Where's your proof that I said all R rated films would flop and all PGs be hits? Or your proof that the reason you're always following me around and starting threads about me is your infatuation and unrequited love?

But I forget - a hopeless love like yours needs no proof and your obsession knows no end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

"Security - release the badgers."

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[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

Unlike you and your little hissy fits or racist rants that get you deleted or when you implode and self-delete out of sheer shame and embarrassment, I don't delete. So come on, dearie, where's your evidence?

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Beyond now has made $58.5 USD in China, which has passed STID's $57 China gross. Take that fools!

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Now just $92 million to go! 

You're so dumb it hurts.

[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Hey, what's Pumba doing here? I don't understand him, does anyone speak warthog and can translate his rants?

[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

The coward is too scared to face me...I can't blame him. 

[–] TVholic 8 years ago

Did you notice nobody ever responds to this insult? Nobody's laughing. It wasn't funny the first time you wrote it and beating it to death isn't making it any funnier. Only dumb kids think that way.

[–] TrevorAclea 8 years ago

People like Persecuted really ought to look in the mirror next time they want to call someone a fool.

"Security - release the badgers."

[–] outerrimstudio 8 years ago

Some Chinese wisdom for ya:

Confucius say man who drop watch in toilet have *beep* time

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