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Respectable unmarried women in 1900 didn't tumble into bed with men


One thing I find highly anachronistic is that both Cornelia and Lucy ended up having full on sexual affairs with men they were not married to, with very few qualms or hesitations. A nurse was by definition unmarried back then, and hospitals had high expectations for the morals of the nurses they employed. If a nurse had either gotten pregnant or even been suspected of having unmarried sex with a doctor she would have been dismissed without references. This would have resulted in her ending up on the streets, unable to find work. What I am saying is that the stakes for premarital sex were extremely high in the morality of 1900!

And although Cornelia is higher status and has rich parents, she would have been socially shunned and possibly disowned by her family for turning up unmarried and pregnant, let alone with a black man.

My point is not that single ladies in a respectable position in society never gave in to the temptation of a "seducer," because there are examples in history of women who did. My point is that it was unusual, had grave consequences and any lady of the time would have been extremely hesitant to do so. She would have weighed the consequences at length before making such a decision, and she would realize that she was "throwing herself away." She would only have done this in the belief that her seducer would marry her. Ladies did not just feel free to fall into bed with men they found attractive and got to have feelings for.

In fact, men of middle and upper classes wouldn't even have expected or invited a "lady" to have sex back then. "Ladies" were supposed to be chaste, pure, moral, and on a pedestal. Men had sex with fallen women and prostitutes. It was thought that women were only led into disrepute by men due to their "animal nature," and a man would have seen himself as "ruining" a young lady by having sex with her because her reputation would be destroyed and she would be unmarriageable. Women's job was to resist, to protest, to preserve her virtue at any cost. These women's sexual behavior is that of a woman of 2016, but not of one in 1900.

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How nice that we have someone born in the 1800s, here, to share their absolute knowledge with us!

I think you're right. Absolutely everyone, complied with the prevailing morals and social customs of their time, until the 1960s. It's surprising that standards evolved at all!

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Not everyone, of course, which I never said, but by showing both the main female characters having premarital sex without much hesitation at a time when that would have been a terrible risk, gives an unrealistic picture of the mores of the time.

It's amazing that we know anything about what happened before our lifetimes given no one was alive back then, but we have all sorts of odd objects with words on them called books that have documented these social conditions extensively. Of course you could choose not to believe the descriptions of people who lived at the time. That is your prerogative.

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You are right....I was expecting Lucy to be dismissed, but it didn't happen, obviously it was found out. As for Corneilia it was not found out so she was stil had her position in society.

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Spot on.

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Annus Mirabilis
by Philip Larkin

Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) -
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.

Up to then there'd only been
A sort of bargaining,
A wrangle for the ring,
A shame that started at sixteen
And spread to everything.

Then all at once the quarrel sank:
Everyone felt the same,
And every life became
A brilliant breaking of the bank,
A quite unlosable game.

So life was never better than
In nineteen sixty-three
(Though just too late for me) -
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.

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Oh, I love that!

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Had no idea women only started to feel like they could be the agents of their own sexual desires just this year. The stakes were just too high!

Puts everything into doubt now.

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There is so much wrong with The Knick from a historical point of view. Don't look for accuracy or realism.

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Could you elaborate?

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I think at the age of the characters in that time, would have been married much younger, likely with 5 kids.The fact a wedding was going on for Cornelia as scheduled when she was portrayed happier with her Dr. was odd.
I tell you this episode caught me off guard and I misread Lucy and took a turn I didn't want, really shook me up.

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While it wasn't as common then, it still happened quite frequently. Think of all the affairs men were having. Think of all of the "fallen women". Now think some of them came from respectable families and common people. SO you have all of those women having affairs. Then think of all the ones that didn't get caught. Then you have the ones that got caught but had enough wealth to keep it quiet.


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- Ankylo-01

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I'm not saying it didn't happen, even among "respectable" women. Just that it would have been a major decision, one which a young woman would have agonized over because the stakes were massive.

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I'm not saying it didn't happen, even among "respectable" women. Just that it would have been a major decision, one which a young woman would have agonized over because the stakes were massive.


I think you are overanalysing it. Most of the times these things just happen. Plus it's a TV show. She could have worried about it in any of the many hours we don't spend with her character.



"Your opinion is wrong, according to the facts."
- Ankylo-01

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It happened a lot back then. The only difference between now and then is back then women lied and said they were virgins and now women post it on Facebook.

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