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Evil gay wizard nuzzling an abused young man?


WTF was going on there?

I get it .. the bad guy is gay. He can be gay without rubbing his face all over some dude on the street he's using for information.

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What does sexuality have anything to do with manipulation?

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Really?

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What does sexuality have anything to do with manipulation?


Pretty sure it looked like child-molestation to quite a few viewers. Though, it might not been the intention of the actors.

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Isn't Credence of age though? It's still creepy, I guess but not really child molestation.

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Credence is around 18, but there is still a huge age-gap between him and Grindelwald. It is also worth noting that Credence can be viewed, as developmentally delayed due to the physical abuse he endured.

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That's true. Ezra Miller's performance suggests Credence has the mind of a child.

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I don't think the bad guy was gay, I think poor Credence was, and that the bad guy was using his looks to get the poor despairing kid to fall in love with him.

Really, you have NO idea how bad it would be, to be a kid in 1920s America who was both gay and stuck in a family of abusive and crazy fanatics. A kid like that would do absolutely anything to get away, and would be shattered by a letdown.




“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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Lol Grindewald is gay, he used to have a romance with Dumbledore when they were both young.

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I'm not convinced Grindlewald is gay, the relationship with Dumbledore could have been purely exploitive and one-sided, like the relationship with Credence.

Ruthless sociopaths will use and manipulate anyone any way they can, Grindy had probably done the same thing to a lot of women as well. We don't know what he really likes, except power.


“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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The majority of the Harry Potter fanbase believe that Grindelwald was gay. Everyone I know refers to him, as Dumbledore's evil ex-boyfriend.

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But wasn't it just Dumbledore that was interested in Grindelwald and that it never went further than Dumbledore desiring him in a romantic way? I'm not 100% sure, but I thought JK stated that Grindelwald was aware of Dumbledore's feelings, but did not reciprocate them. However he wouldn't be above using Dumbledore's attraction to him to get what he wanted.

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What book is all this in?
I have no recollection of anyone being gay in the books?

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"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows". You might have heard of it.



“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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Read it twice do not recall any gay mentions though.

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Dumbledore's backstory.... and more particularly, the summer he spend with Grindelwald.

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That still didn't exactly scream him being gay. He was forced to abandon his dream of travelling the world after he graduated as he had to now take care of his brother and mentally disabled sister. That he ended up striking up a friendship with someone just as brilliant as him who happened to move in next door doesn't necessarily imply that he was gay. If Rowling didn't explicitly state that Dumbledore was gay, then one wouldn't necessarily see his relationship with Grindelwald as anything more than what we've seen with other characters in non-romantic relationships in the series.

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If Rowling didn't explicitly state that Dumbledore was gay, then one wouldn't necessarily see his relationship with Grindelwald as anything more than what we've seen with other characters in non-romantic relationships in the series.


Many people had suspicions about Dumbledore's sexuality, before J.K. Rowling explicitly stated it. No one, I know, was surprised when she outed him. The main reason being, the relationship with Grindelwald.

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Re-read a passage in the book and it definitely does come across as Dumbledore having feelings stronger than that of mere friendship for Grindelwald. Subtle, but definitely there. How Grindelwald's ideas had inflamed him, how it would be them together ruling the world. I can totally see it now, however I still don't think Grindelwald held the same feelings. I feel that while Grindelwald enjoyed his companionship and admired his vast intellect his feelings for him were probably platonic, but I wouldn't put it past him to use Dumbledore's feelings for his own advantage.

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I feel that while Grindelwald enjoyed his companionship and admired his vast intellect his feelings for him were probably platonic, but I wouldn't put it past him to use Dumbledore's feelings for his own advantage.


I respectfully disagree, since Grindelwald viewed Dumbledore as his equal. The interrogation scene in FB also suggests, that Grindelwald does have romantic feelings for Dumbledore. Why else would "Graves" have been so interested, in Dumbledore's fondness for Newt? Also, if you pay close attention to Colin Farrell's performance, he made Grindelwald more emotional than Percival Graves.

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Lol Grindewald is gay, he used to have a romance with Dumbledore when they were both young.


I haven't read Deathly Hallows for a long while but where was that even suggested?

From my understanding (and as I say I haven't read the Potter books in years) Dumbledore's infatuation with Grindelwald was entirely one sided, hence how he had his heart broken.


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I also understood Dumbledore's infatuation with Grindelwald to be one-sided. Grindelwald respected Dumbledore's intelligence and he realised he could manipulate Dumbledore who harboured feeling for him. You don't have to be gay in order to give someone a false promise of fulfilling their desires.

Grindelwald realised that he was a magnet for gay guys and he used it by leading them to believe he cares for them. Remember, Rowling didn't say that he was gay, only Dumbledore.

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Remember, Rowling didn't say that he was gay, only Dumbledore.


J.K. Rowling never explicitly confirmed Grindelwald's sexuality, but have implied more than once that he was homosexual.

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I noticed that too, he got a little close and his hand strokes were pretty suggestive

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