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Was Eli Roth aware that we wanted to see the girls suffer?


Was it a deliberate choice to provoke the viewer throughout the movie to the point where the only thing you care about is just to see Keanu beat these two to death, just to sadistically not grant us the pleasure?


Or did Roth think that since Keanu was a cheater we might actually be rooting for the girls? Cause Keanu could have been a pedophile rapist nazi for all I care, I'd still want to see him *beep* these girls up.


So, sadism or complete obliviousness?

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I kept hoping the epilogue shows them knock at the next guys door, they charm their way in and the guy leads them into the living room and Keanu is sitting there waiting, then end.
Or maybe let new guy have the kick ass threesome, then bust em.

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I think its up to the audience anyway, then again, in films like "Audition" (1999) or "Fatal Attraction" (1987) among many others, we've seen plenty of times women inflict pain or a threat of death on innocent men.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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In "Hard Candy" (2005) for instance, the man that the young girl played by Ellen Paige was torturing and threatening to kill turned out to be the guilty monster, but we didn't really know that until the end, and she was kind of portrayed as an unstable vigilante herself, and that film kinda left questions if we really meant to root for her or for the guy, at least during that movie.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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Do you think the main reason Keanu Reeves' character in this movie doesn't kill them or defend himself better was because they both happened to also be physically tough (as if psychologically was not enough) or was he extremely conscious and sensitive about the idea of killing a woman (or two of them) that he couldn't go through with it? Even when they were not only threatening to further humiliate him but also kill him on numerous occasions?

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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he was apparently injured earlier in some kinda batting cage? Though I'm currently at the part where he was struggling to carry Bel after finding her in his closet with his shirt.

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That's a really interesting movie, if you go to imdb board almost everyone is very sympathetic for Wilson's character - which is what I also felt even after the ending. The movie could have been even better and doesn't have enough courage not to make a point that he's a bad guy, but still managed to give the viewer more ambiguous perspective then usual.


Another interesting way of dealing with the topic is in the 3rd season of Black Mirror, Shut up and Dance (I suggest people check out this ep, you don't have to watch the show in order it works on it's own) where every normal person would probably feel extremely bad for the pedophile who only watched cp.

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I kind of took as sometimes villains win in the end. In most movies the bad guy or gal normally dies in the end or gets arrested. I prefer this ending than the alternate ending.

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Almost that exact epilogue was included on the dvd as an alternate ending. I don't know why they didn't include him getting revenge in the theatrical version.

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Nice job expressing the frustration. I think you really distilled it.

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Of course he wanted sympathy for Keanu and that the audience should take his side.
The whole script is a mixture of male wish fulfillment and Reddit MRA fantasies.
"B----es be crazy", "women lie about rape", "how was he supposed to know her age, she looked older", "she forced herself on him", "it's men that are the truly oppressed" etc.

A MRA jerk off fantasy...

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Hey hey, reddit doesn't like cheaters either. And the girls win in the end, so it's not much of a jerk off fantasy when it takes away the climax.

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2 nyan, using that logic, are we also meant to, say, come to the conclusion that the movie "Irreversible" (2002) for example is homophobic and that it thinks all gays are evil just like that?

Why does a movie dealing with exceptions, however small, all of a sudden just like that gets slammed as an "MRA-like" fantasy, I mean, we've seen plenty of other movies where women were villains and whatnot, even some of the best classic films in history had that kind of aspect.

It doesn't mean its meant to say that all women are like that.

And really, even if its men who do the majority of crimes in the world, are there also at least some good men out there?

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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2 nyan also - watch "Ila: She Wolf of the SS" (1975) which shows that women can be just as evil as men. (As well as several such sequels.)

Look up also a historical figure called Elizabeth Bathory who committed mass murder on a horrifying scale. True story.

And there have been some or other movies out there that have also proven that women may at times also commit sexual offenses like men can too, none of which in particular have been cited as either anti-feminist or MRA-fantasies of anything of that sort. (Some of them have critical acclaim.)

I've also on a totally different note saw some films that had children being killers in them but they never particularly struck me as any kind of anti-child propagandas of any kind or sort.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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This film really needed a more satiating conclusion.

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